A Message From CalGuns Staff

[RANGER295]

Ranger295sd where you and the rest of us might be better protected?
CVBNM,.It's so sad to see that in my life time we even have to talk of moving VBNM,./anything to another country to protect our first amendment right while trying to protect our second amendment rights.

I very much appreciate Calguns efforts to provide a safe community to share our thoughts, questions, and concerns.

It would do very little if anything to protect us. It could actually hurt us. Certain international communications are not subject to the same 4th amendment protections. Also, as long as the owner of the site stays here then he/the company would be subject to subpoena and possibly even the staff members.

My original statements are still very relevant. We are being watched by law enforcement. In some cases there are multi year stings that have been/are being conducted on here. This is not speculation, it is fact. Be careful what you say. Be careful especially in the marketplace. Do not do any transactions that are not strictly legal. The person you are doing a transaction with may not be a friendly CalGunner but rather an undercover LEO... even if they have a bunch of positive I-trader ratings

[Cokebottle]

My original statements are still very relevant. We are being watched by law enforcement. In some cases there are multi year stings that have been/are being conducted on here. This is not speculation, it is fact. Be careful what you say. Be careful especially in the marketplace. Do not do any transactions that are not strictly legal. The person you are doing a transaction with may not be a friendly CalGunner but rather an undercover LEO... even if they have a bunch of positive I-trader ratings

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/government-and-politics/20170601/pasadena-police-lieutenant-may-have-sold-dozens-of-guns-on-calguns-in-last-four-years

[BLK RFL DIV]

Thanks for letting people vent.

I would hope and humbly ask that IF the gov't comes along and subpoenas you to investigate particular Calguns users, you please consider announcing such events publicly, as Reason Magazine did when the feds tried to uncover a few commenters joking about feeding a federal judge into a wood chipper, Fargo-style AND tried to gag Reason Magazine about it:

https://popehat.com/2015/06/08/department-of-justice-uses-grand-jury-subpoena-to-identify-anonymous-commenters-on-a-silk-road-post-at-reason-com

Reason Mag. handled it really well. They cooperated with the feds as much as they had to and then blew the story up into national outrage over the quashing of free speech:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/21/free-speech-under-fire-subpoenas-gag-orders-over-reader-comments-at-reason-magazine/

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-06-09/reason-magazine-subpoena-stomps-on-free-speech

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-welch-reason-magazine-gag-order-20150628-story.html

http://iwf.org/blog/2797386/First-Amendment-Outrage:-Prosecutors-Subpoena-Reason-Magazine-for-Commenters'-Identities

The gag order was found to be exceptionally flimsy:

https://popehat.com/2015/07/09/what-did-a-federal-prosecutor-need-to-get-a-gag-order-on-reason-magazine-pitifully-little/

As they say, "sunlight is the best disinfectant."

Reason Mag. took a big gamble--they could've quietly gone along with the feds, which would have led to the feds coming back again and again for more info on users shooting the breeze in their comments section, but by blowing the whole thing wide open and garnering national support from liberals and conservatives alike, they sent a clear message to the feds that they'll have to be very careful and thorough the next time they come after a commenter.

It seems like more and more of our justice system is becoming secret to the people--secret FISA courts, secret terrorist watchlists, secret gun owner databases, etc. We're losing control of our gov't bit by bit.

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

We truly live under an authoritarian regime of full control, so far away from the Constitution and Bill of Rights.... the Oaths many have taken to uphold them are nothing but a drowned and meaningless words at this point in time. We are so lost it is sickening.

[BLK RFL DIV]

Time to move to the Dark Web? Tor for everyone!

That's the idea, criminalize us all, put us in caves, create the perfect "evil doers" to fit the agenda and incarcerate all. Big Brother to the nth....

[BLK RFL DIV]

Low hanging fruit.

Their ultimate goal is to eliminate all guns.

As it stands it is not the only goal, the goal is to criminalize all Americans. Currently our 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendment Rights have been suspended due to the Patriot/Freedom Act, NDAA 2012, and now we have Portman-Murphy and based on the 2nd post in this thread, our 1st is kaputt.

We are to live in fear of our government, to pay taxes and bow before them as subservient slaves, never to raise a hand to question their absolute power and corruption.

Anyone ever read or follow Larkin Rose, he's got it down. Watch his low budget documentary "It Can't Happen Here". He also tried to fight the IRS and the nonexistent income tax laws, judge colluded with the IRS and sent him to jail for a year.

Okay I'm gonna go have a beer and think happy thoughts.

[RANGER295]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/gove...ast-four-years

Yes, I am very aware of that one...

[Cokebottle]

Yes, I am very aware of that one...

I actually went back through the guy's iTrader to see if I had been one of his customers (because nobody has been bothered to leave me iTrader since 2011)... I picked up a Mossy 500 a while back PPT through Pasadena Turners, and bought some HST .45 in the Westfield parking lot. I had no concerns about the Henry I PPTd in San Diego.

But no... I'm not on his customer list.

[RANGER295]

I actually went back through the guy's iTrader to see if I had been one of his customers (because nobody has been bothered to leave me iTrader since 2011)... I picked up a Mossy 500 a while back PPT through Pasadena Turners, and bought some HST .45 in the Westfield parking lot. I had no concerns about the Henry I PPTd in San Diego.

But no... I'm not on his customer list.

This one should not be an issue for any of his customers. It looks like all they can nail him on potentially is too many transactions in a year... basically allegedly dealing without a licence.

[Cokebottle]

This one should not be an issue for any of his customers. It looks like all they can nail him on potentially is too many transactions in a year... basically allegedly dealing without a licence.

I wasn't worried... all of my transactions have been legal.

I was just curious if I had met the guy.