How does all the new bills affect 80% receivers?

[bac0n16]

Question goes towards 80% receivers, how does all these new bills affect 80% receivers?

1.) Can 80% receivers still be legally acquired and used?
2.) How does this affect AR-Pistols made from 80% receivers?
3.) Will all 80% receivers need to be serialized and registered?

[kcstott]

Question goes towards 80% receivers, how does all these new bills affect 80% receivers?

1.) Can 80% receivers still be legally acquired and used?
2.) How does this affect AR-Pistols made from 80% receivers?
3.) Will all 80% receivers need to be serialized and registered?

Did you bother to read the law???

[zhyla]

I've only skimmed the new laws a few times. My understanding is that 80% receivers are still not a firearm, so feel free to possess them. Making them into assault weapons post Jan 1, 2017 will be illegal. Making them into assault weapons in 2016 will require assault weapon registration in 2017.

I haven't found an assault weapon registration form yet so I don't know what the requirements are. I'm sure there will be a field for the serial number. Serializing them is a good idea either way.

[kcstott]

I've only skimmed the new laws a few times. My understanding is that 80% receivers are still not a firearm, so feel free to possess them. Making them into assault weapons post Jan 1, 2017 will be illegal. Making them into assault weapons in 2016 will require assault weapon registration in 2017.

I haven't found an assault weapon registration form yet so I don't know what the requirements are. I'm sure there will be a field for the serial number. Serializing them is a good idea either way.

See if you guys would take that time to actually ready the law you'd know that between now and 2017 we are free to buy an build under current law, 2017 to 2018 is the registration period. No forms will come out till a few months before the start of the registration period.

In the law is a list of what is required to be filed on the registration form and the fee to be collected.

I'm not registering anything. I'll turn my AR's into bolt rifles before they get a registration fee out of me. I don't have to go that far though a grip wrap is all thats needed.

[wpage]

More retroactive BS...

[edgerly779]

CNC program for home machined armaglock copies. Personal use not for sale. Since it looks like prince copied theirs. JMO

[Ford8N]

Question. If a person wanted to register a so called 80%, how will the DOJ even know you have built it if you register by the internet form? There will be no physical inspection by The Man as far as I can determine. So what if a person "reserved" registered serial numbers for future builds during the open registration period? A 4'x8' sheet of steel can make a lot of AK receivers. And this kind of leads into the brier patch of what the hell is an 80% receiver? I agree with what Governor Brown said about these new laws, many unintended consequences.

[zhyla]

In the law is a list of what is required to be filed on the registration form and the fee to be collected.

So it is! My eyes glazed over that part.

3) The registration shall contain a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely, including all identification marks, the full name, address, date of birth, and thumbprint of the owner, and any other information that the department may deem appropriate.

I'm a little worried about that last part. That's pretty open ended.

[VaderSpade]

Question. If a person wanted to register a so called 80%, how will the DOJ even know you have built it if you register by the internet form? There will be no physical inspection by The Man as far as I can determine. So what if a person "reserved" registered serial numbers for future builds during the open registration period? A 4'x8' sheet of steel can make a lot of AK receivers. And this kind of leads into the brier patch of what the hell is an 80% receiver? I agree with what Governor Brown said about these new laws, many unintended consequences.

Not going to be able to give your thumbprint over the internet. I'm guessing they will want to see the gun as they take that thumbprint.

[Choptop]

Not going to be able to give your thumbprint over the internet. I'm guessing they will want to see the gun as they take that thumbprint.

the last time was a AW registration there was no need for anyone to "see the gun". You filled out a form, that was it.

highly doubtful the DOJ is going to ask owners to come marching into to their local DOJ office carrying guns.

[kcstott]

Not going to be able to give your thumbprint over the internet. I'm guessing they will want to see the gun as they take that thumbprint.

more likely they will require live scan, Just another way to generate revenue

[VaderSpade]

An online form would be nice but the thumbprint thing is going to make that hard. I figured they would have us march down to an FFL to fill out the paperwork. I'm sure there are not DOJ offices convenient to everyone????

[Ford8N]

What if I already have a COE. Got live scanned then.

[VaderSpade]

What if I already have a COE. Got live scanned then.

My wife is a teacher that works with different school music programs and they make her get printed EVERY time she takes on a new job. Sometimes two to three times a month. $75.00 a pop!

[Quiet]

1.) Can 80% receivers still be legally acquired and used?

Yes.
They can legally be used to make a rimfire rifle, featureless semi-auto centerfire rifle, semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action, manually operated (bolt-action, pump-action) centerfire rifle, single-shot rifle, semi-auto shotgun with a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action, manually operated (bolt-action, pump-action) shotgun, single-shot shotgun, dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol, or dimensionally compliant break-top/open single-shot pistol.

2.) How does this affect AR-Pistols made from 80% receivers?

The handgun needs to be made into a dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol or a dimensionally compliant break-top/open single-shot pistol.

Because the firearm can never had been semi-auto prior to creation, you will most likely need to build your own upper, instead of buying an existing upper and modifying it. This is because existing uppers are typically test fired by the manufacturer as a semi-auto.

In addition to installing a non-detachable 0 round mag/sled*, the following must be done depending on the type of upper...

If the AR style pistol normally operates via direct impingement, then:
1. Do not install a gas tube.
2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

If the AR style pistol normally operates via gas-piston, then:
1. Do not install a gas piston.
2. Do not install a gas block or plug the gas block.
This makes it a straight pull bolt-action single-shot.

If the AR style pistol normally operates via blowback, then:
1. Install a dowel in the buffer tube, which prevents the buffer from moving.
This makes it a break-top/open single-shot.

The upper will also need a minimum 6" barrel length and the handgun will need a minimum 10.5" overall length.

*non-detachable 0 round mag/sled...
Until 12-31-2016, a "bullet button" style maglock + 0 round mag/sled will comply with this requirement.
Starting 01-01-2017, a maglock that requires the firearm's action to be disassembled + 0 round mag/sled or a sealed/welded in 0 round mag/sled or a solid magazine well will be needed to comply with this requirement.

3.) Will all 80% receivers need to be serialized and registered?

No.