Not Comply = yeah right

[AceGirlsHusband]

Seriously, there are times when law abiding citizens are their own worst enemy.

There is a lot of truth in that statement. One of the great paradoxes of a democracy is, "You can't protect it from itself."

[Lex Talionis]

They're much more interested in making gun ownership so difficult and demonized that future generations will have no interest in doing it, assuming law abiding citizens have no practical need for them.

BINGO!!

The other day in the break room at work with the Clinton News Network (CNN) on the TV, a co worker looks over at me (of all people LOL) and says, "why would anyone want one of those 'military grade' rifles anyway?"

I won't bore you with my detailed response, but the total look of astonishment on his face to hear a logical and well articulated reply told me he had NEVER heard anyone explain the 2nd amendment or how these "scary" things really work.

Let's face it, there is now an entire generation of people who have been indoctrinated to believe that the 2nd Amendment is evil. The total confusion over what liberty really means is only mirrored by the 'total confusion' over which is the correct restroom to use.

[Joseph Lee]

Sorry, I do more reading than posting, usually easier to not come off as a " I Will Not Comply " moron.

The reality, at this point in time we have to comply........my issue is, I have been letting others do the fight and only helping by voting, now I get to pay the price for being a lazy SOB.

I was thinking last night, this whole background check garbage for ammunition,I have tried to look at it from every direction and there is no way it will do anything to stop bad guys from getting bullets, its a physical impossibility.

IT IS NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL = it is about revenue control. If you have say, 1 million gun owners in California, at $50 a background check ( just a generic number i picked), everyone can do the math on how much money they just brought in, plus, they now have a state registry of me buying ammo..........they just killed two birds with one stone.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me, or am I looking at it from a backwards point of view.

And please dont tell me we have to resist and not follow the laws, thats a good way to end up in jail, the only way to not comply is with your vote and the courts

You're not voting your way out of this.

[sdbrit68]

You're not voting your way out of this.

I do completely agree with you..............but the A-holes who want to start off blasting everyone dont seem to have the mental capacity to understand the big picture.

California is a lost cause, at least for now, its a reality, and the sooner people realize this, the sooner that efforts can be put to better use.

Just like blasting the NRA, why put funds into this state ? Its wasted cash

The bigger picture is who gets to nominate the next few supreme court judges Trump is not my first choice, but, he is what we have.

If Hillary gets in, nominates a ton of liberal judges, it is over, period, it wont ever return.

I go out and work campaigns, the bigger picture is we need people to get off their *** and vote at least in the national election, get conservative judges in.

This way when gun rights cases get to the supreme circus, we have a chance

[Paul_R]

I do completely agree with you..............but the A-holes who want to start off blasting everyone dont seem to have the mental capacity to understand the big picture.

California is a lost cause, at least for now, its a reality, and the sooner people realize this, the sooner that efforts can be put to better use.

Just like blasting the NRA, why put funds into this state ? Its wasted cash

The bigger picture is who gets to nominate the next few supreme court judges Trump is not my first choice, but, he is what we have.

If Hillary gets in, nominates a ton of liberal judges, it is over, period, it wont ever return.

I go out and work campaigns, the bigger picture is we need people to get off their *** and vote at least in the national election, get conservative judges in.

This way when gun rights cases get to the supreme circus, we have a chance

A-holes who want to start blasting everybody? Seriously??? How does "I will not comply" equate with "I want to start blasting everybody"? It's an idiotic stretch at minimum, worthy of the most liberal gun grabber.

I suspect it will be just like the first AWB go round with about 10 percent of the estimated AW owners being stupid enough to register their guns. And nobody went out blasting everybody.

And in case you haven't noticed, the political system is rigged. And the court system is rigged. Nobody is going to change anything playing by their rules.

[jeremiah12]

OP, there are many things that I have been doing that I have the good sense to not discuss on a public forum that is monitored by state and federal agencies. I will say that for the same reasons that prohibition failed, the war on drugs is failing, the war on any other vice like gambling and prostitution has failed and continues to fail is the same reason that CA war on guns will fail. People will find ways to get what they want. There will always be a large supply to meet the high demand, and our borders are very extensive, porous, and easily impossible to secure to the degree that every vehicle entering can be searched. I doubt that even half the vehicles entering can be searched, most are just waved on through after a couple of quick questions, and often during peak hours the few quick questions are just dispensed with. The state cannot afford to search every vehicle even if they could place a check station on every road that enters this state.

There is even a WWII era road that truckers still use to drive from Winnemucca, NV to near Susanville, CA if they want to cross into CA without having to get the proper permits.

The CA off-roaders have used word of mouth for a few decades now to get non-CARB approved equipment for their vehicles and engines that in most cases provide better performance and produce lower emissions than the more expensive CARB approved equipment.

At this moment, I am on vacation in Montana, after spending some time in Wyoming. I have stopped in a few gun stores and talked to a lot of people I have met along the way. Part of the reason for this vacation is to explore potential places to retire to. My wife can retire in a year. We are both teachers and teaching in CA is getting worse. There is a huge teacher shortage because teachers are leaving because new laws make it nearly impossible to do anything about students who disrupt the classroom or physically assault other students or teachers. CA also has the largest class sizes. I have 40 students in a science classroom designed for 24.

I will take a pay cut moving out of state, but I will have classes of no more than 16 students and if a student is disrupting class, I can send them out and they will be dealt with. So I will work even though it will cut my retirement because I am sick of CA.

The constant theme I hear from the majority, including LEOs, any attempt by anybody to further restrict gun rights will be met with non-compliance. The new laws will be ignored just like what is happening in most of Colorado and Washington state. The background checks for PPTs that are supposed to be conducted by the Sheriff's department in WA state are not being done in most counties because the Sheriff's are refusing to do them. In CO, most stores are openly selling mags with a capacity of greater than 15 rounds because the local LEOs have made it clear they will not enforce what they believe is an unconstitutional law. The citizens in these areas have also made it clear that if the LEOs and politicians did enforce the unjust laws, they will be replaced.

I have joked with many that I am on temporary probation and am greatly enjoying the taste of freedom. When I say I would like move here, the locals have made it clear that I have to leave the CA voting disease in CA. They actually consider CA republicans to be too liberal.

I can say with certainty that I was raised to be a rebel. I am descended from an American rebel who signed the American Declaration of Independence. In my family, were moonshiners who successfully evaded the revenuers their entire lives. I also have ancestors that fought and died for this country in many of its wars. The one thing that was always taught, we were always to do the right thing even if it meant resisting our own government because it was going against the ideals set forth in the Constitution.

Compliance is not the only solution. My MIL, an immigrant to this country could school you on this. She escaped the communist rule in East Germany. She has many stories on what non-compliance can do and what forms it can take. Even the smallest acts of non-compliance can gum up the works.

I will leave you with this. What if every gun owner in CA rented a mailbox in NV, OR, or AZ and had all of their online ammo purchases sent to that mailbox? Then once every month or so, they drove to the mailbox to pick it up. Maybe a group of 2 to 4 got together to share the cost of a mailbox.

Mailbox rental businesses would greatly increase in these states bringing in lots of revenue that is now lost to CA. Ammo would still flow into CA. CA authorities could not begin to stop the flood of ammo coming into the state. The sales tax revenue from ammo sales in state would drop. The state could not begin to prosecute everybody buying ammo this way, the courts would be flooded. There would not be enough people to search all the CA cars returning to the state to search for ammo and the smart people would avoid the CA ag stations. The smart people would also make sure to pick up the ammo using a rental car that did not have CA plates, or use a taxi or bus to get to the mailbox rental place. Better yet, have somebody else pick it up for you.

As for me, I hope to already have my out of state home purchased by the time the new gun laws go into effect so I can store most of my guns in a free state.

[Lex Talionis]

Clever designers will find usable work-arounds for the new bans. By the time December comes around, there will be dozens of competing products to keep the AR format legal, without registration.

I have far more faith in American ingenuity than I have with California democrats. It will be a long term fight to keep inventing work-arounds as the minds of Excremento will come back, over and over with new bans.

What is the work around for standard cap mags other than to turn them in or move them out of state?

[djhall]

I will leave you with this. What if every gun owner in CA rented a mailbox in NV, OR, or AZ and had all of their online ammo purchases sent to that mailbox? Then once every month or so, they drove to the mailbox to pick it up. Maybe a group of 2 to 4 got together to share the cost of a mailbox.

Mailbox rental businesses would greatly increase in these states bringing in lots of revenue that is now lost to CA. Ammo would still flow into CA. CA authorities could not begin to stop the flood of ammo coming into the state. The sales tax revenue from ammo sales in state would drop. The state could not begin to prosecute everybody buying ammo this way, the courts would be flooded. There would not be enough people to search all the CA cars returning to the state to search for ammo and the smart people would avoid the CA ag stations. The smart people would also make sure to pick up the ammo using a rental car that did not have CA plates, or use a taxi or bus to get to the mailbox rental place. Better yet, have somebody else pick it up for you.

They don't expect to shut off the supply of ammo to CA with this ammo law. They don't even actually expect to prevent any criminals from getting ammo.

Under the pretense of preventing criminals from buying ammo they WILL make more expensive and difficult for law abiding gun owners to buy ammo. A local gun will have to process and transfer your Internet ammo order instead of having it delivered directly to your door. An extra $10 charge will get added to the cost. Many online sellers will probably stop shipping to CA at all rather than deal with the hassle of complying with the shipping restrictions. Others will probably charge extra shipping and handling on CA orders further raising the cost of ammo. And you probably won't be able to buy cheap ammo at WalMart any more.

Little by little, bit by bit, many gun owners will end up buying less ammo. New gun owners may shoot less and ultimately buy fewer guns. And most of the public won't even see it as a restriction on our gun rights since we can walk into a gun shop and walk back out with a $20 box of .223 FMJ.

[Joe Kidd]

Calling people names? Dissing people with a different opinion? Doesn't look like a good strategy to move the ball forward.

[WARFAB]

And please dont tell me we have to resist and not follow the laws, thats a good way to end up in jail, the only way to not comply is with your vote and the courts

If gun owners stand united and nobody obeys the laws, nobody goes to jail.

The registration schemes in Connecticut and New York were met with massive non-compliance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-safe-act-weapons-registry-numbers-released-article-1.2267730

[Patriot Man]

Exactly. The political system is rigged. The court system is rigged. And people think they're going to win playing by their rules? Seriously?

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