I'm a bit confused about AB 1664.

[_Nick_]

Reference AB 1664, it basically says If I legally posses an AR15, I shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018.

I purchased it at a store, so it's already registered.

My question is this: Are they requiring me to now register it again and specify that it has a bullet button? Or, does the bullet button get outlawed altogether in 2018? (And therefore not grandfathered?)

[pMcW]

Reference AB 1664, it basically says If I legally posses an AR15, I shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018.

I purchased it at a store, so it's already registered.

My question is this: Are they requiring me to now register it again and specify that it has a bullet button? Or, does the bullet button get outlawed altogether in 2018? (And therefore not grandfathered?)

AB 1664 has not been signed, as far as I can tell. However AB 1135 and SB 880 were both signed and seem to do the same things.

Registration at the store (for a "regular firearm") is not equivalent to assault weapon registration, which would be required.

What happens to your bullet button is an open question, depending on the regulations, which are not yet written. The bullet button itself is not "outlawed" it just no longer succeeds in preventing assault weapon status (making it rather pointless).

[pMcW]

Also, AB 1664 appears to still be in committee, and could still be signed and passed. But AB 1135, from the same authors, seems to do the same things.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Reference AB 1664, it basically says If I legally posses an AR15, I shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018.

I purchased it at a store, so it's already registered.

My question is this: Are they requiring me to now register it again and specify that it has a bullet button? Or, does the bullet button get outlawed altogether in 2018? (And therefore not grandfathered?)

AB 1664 is dead.

Never made it out of committee, never passed the full Senate.

Small possibility that it might be resurrected in August but why would they bother? They already have AB 1135 and SB 880 in the bag and safely home.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1664

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billSearchClient.xhtml

Your bullet button was and is not a matter of law, it was and is until 1-2017 a means for meeting CA DOJ definition for "fixed magazine". The definition is (until 1-2017) that a "fixed magazine" cannot be removed without the use of a tool. Gotta poke something (some kinda tool) into the bullet button to release the magazine therefore it is a "fixed magazine."

Bullet buttons were never required by law, never mentioned or addressed in any law. They were just one means to avoid having your AR defined as an "Assault Weapon." Now they will be meaningless, useless, throw them away if you want to (after 1-2017)

Everything changes 1-2017 under the newly passed laws. The new definition of fixed magazine is that it cannot be removed except by "disassembly of the action."

See Prince's Bullet Button Reloaded for a means of complying with the new definition. His device makes it necessary to "disassemble the action" in order to drop the magazine thereby making the magazine "fixed."


Here's a small part of brand new SB 880 that defines "Assault Weapon." AB 1135 is almost identical, has the same language.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...stNav=tracking


30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

Reference AB 1664, it basically says If I legally posses an AR15, I shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018.

I purchased it at a store, so it's already registered.

My question is this: Are they requiring me to now register it again and specify that it has a bullet button? Or, does the bullet button get outlawed altogether in 2018? (And therefore not grandfathered?)

You are confused by two different uses of the word "Registered."

When you buy a gun at the gun store the State of CA makes a record of the sale with all details about you and the firearm. This is not really "Registration" just a record of your purchase.

The newly passed laws will require that any firearm meeting the definition of "Assault Weapon" will require you to send in an "Assault Weapon Registration" between 1-2017 and 1-2018 (but not before the CA DOJ establishes the regulations necessary to accept and file the new "Registrations.")

After 1-2017 no one can buy or sell (except if you're a retired cop) "Assault Weapons" ever again. Your children will not be able to inherit your "Assault Weapons." But as long as they're "Registered" you can still shoot them, but be careful of the extra special laws and regulations for transporting "Assault Weapons."

[Redeyedrider]

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

Are they talking about simple "hand guards"? Our rifles can't even have hand guards now? WTF?

That must be directed at the AR-Pistols, No?

[pMcW]

After 1-2017 no one can buy or sell (except if you're a retired cop) "Assault Weapons" ever again.

Splitting semantic hairs here, but 1-2017 is not the date after which "no one can buy or sell (except if you're a retired cop) "Assault Weapons" ever again." You cannot buy defined assault weapons today, or yesterday. That date was 1989.

Only the definition of assault weapons is changes on 1-2017. And, it appears likely that new compliance devices will exist. Jams are going to become more difficult to clear, however.

[pMcW]

(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

Are they talking about simple "hand guards"? Our rifles can't even have hand guards now? WTF?

That must be directed at the AR-Pistols, No?

That's existing wording, not changed from anything signed yesterday. I believe it was aimed at the Tec-9 and similar firearms.

[Ethan90]

If I am going to have to register my rifle as an assault weapon, can I ditch the bullet button and have a standard magazine release with standard magazines?

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[CWDraco]

Are they talking about simple "hand guards"? Our rifles can't even have hand guards now? WTF?

That must be directed at the AR-Pistols, No?

a barrel shroud is a handguard when its on a pistol. Pistols are one handed firearms. When you add something around the barrel of a pistol that allows you to hold it without burning your hand...its a shroud.

[CWDraco]

If I am going to have to register my rifle as an assault weapon, can I ditch the bullet button and have a standard magazine release with standard magazines?

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yes, for the cost of registration you get both good and bad benefits.

1- an AW is an AW, No mag lock and you get to use illegal >10 magazines if you own them.
2- You can never sell it or give it to anyone even family

3- You cant use it at many ranges

4- You cant carry it except to go to places that allow AWs

5- you cant hunt with it...(I think)

[edgerly779]

draco has some info wrong. yes you can hunt with. no more large cap mags in state. fud Read the law. Evenytuaslly it will be clarified by someone qwho knows the law.

[Fear58]

3- You cant use it at many ranges

Unfamiliar with RAW restrictions. Could someone point to a resource / document that breaks down what you can and cannot do with a RAW in CA?

You're #3 would be my most practical concern at the moment.

[pMcW]

If I am going to have to register my rifle as an assault weapon, can I ditch the bullet button and have a standard magazine release with standard magazines?

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We probably do not know until DOJ writes the regulations for registering.

[pMcW]

Unfamiliar with RAW restrictions. Could someone point to a resource / document that breaks down what you can and cannot do with a RAW in CA?

You're #3 would be my most practical concern at the moment.

I think this #3 is based on the rules of particular ranges, not anything in the law itself. The list of transportation and use restrictions for RAW has been posted recently, and it seems to indicate that any target shooting facility is fine. But ranges can make their own rules.

[ronlglock]

If I am going to have to register my rifle as an assault weapon, can I ditch the bullet button and have a standard magazine release with standard magazines?

Since "standard magazines" were banned under another bill, you're still limited to 10 rounds.