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  • Samuel Whittemore
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 717

    Letter to Grace: A reply from a Gay Patriot to Transgendered Teen Activist Downey, CA

    In response to “They’re Killing Us. Help us stop them.” by Grace Dolan-Sandrino --As printed in The Downey Patriot Vol. 15 no. 10 Page 5 http://www.thedowneypatriot.com/s/2016-06-16.pdf and posted below my reply to her.

    A letter to Grace Dolan Sandrino

    Dear Grace Dolan Sandrino,

    Let me start by saying how much I truly admire your courage and sheer determination, and sadly also recognize the years of torment and struggle. Both internally and externally you’ve endured and probably continue to suffer in your struggle to find your own identity and become comfortable in your own skin. “It gets better”, yes but when you’re coming from behind having been given the short end of the stick, does the fight ‘to be’ ever fully end for some of us?

    My empathy comes in part because I too, as a gay man from a couple generations ago, have struggled along that same path. I’m from a time though when society was far less accepting than it is now (if you can believe that). We endured hiding our identity, nearly zero public tolerance and even less from the police. These and more made gay bashing, persecution and abuse an acceptable norm.

    I tell you this so you will believe that I understand where you’re coming from.

    The Orlando massacre was a metaphorical bullet in all our backs. In many ways, it was even worse than Stonewall. Where, as I am sure you are aware, those whom are paid to serve and protect the citizen relentlessly and violently harassed them instead. Orlando has suddenly made it seem like we were reverting to the dark ages. If Orlando sets any precedent it’s that terrorists and nuts jobs are now ramping up their attacks on the most vulnerable, or what they may deem as ‘soft targets’, aiming for maximum damage and attention.

    Like you I too am very concerned for our future not only as LGBTs but as Americans and free citizens of this great republic. The divisions we sometimes face can seem insurmountable, the hate and persecution can be staggering and at best difficult to endure. Any suggested resolutions seem hardly adequate and difficult to attain, and in order to do what? Come to some all too fragile, flimsy and imperfect agreement?

    Obviously not facing the divisions and pretending they do not exist is not an option. So trudge on we must, knowing that mistakes will be made and therefore we must remember to try to remain open-minded, adaptable and determined to fight for equality. We must also understand that there will never be that perfect solution that makes everyone happy.

    While I couldn’t agree more with your take on “those bigoted and ridiculous bathroom bills” and “common sense guns bills” I can only agree so long as those ‘common sense’ bills do NOT infringe on the rights of responsible, good and caring gun owning citizens.

    You see I am first an American and second a Gay man. My fundamental ‘rights’ are a birthright as a human being and are protected by the Constitution. The bottom line is that without the liberties and natural rights listed and protected by the Constitution I (we) will never have or keep any rights as Americans, much less as LGBT persons. So no matter my race, gender, orientation or sexual preference the Constitution for any true American should come first.

    Just as important as the Constitution is as a whole, so is the Second Amendment. It is that which guarantees me the right to protect myself and my family from any threat, whether from criminals or tyrannical government. The Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms for the protection of self and family, is the ONE right and freedom in the Constitution that insures every other freedom we as citizen hold dear. Therefore it is without doubt and without question the most important Constitutional Amendment of them all. It is the very cornerstone of our entire republic. Any bill or law that inhibits that God given liberty, that natural birthright as a human being, can only be taken as being anti-America.

    And yet in spite of this inherent right none of the people in Orlando could protect themselves. Not one person ever really had a chance. Why, because not one of them had a gun, not a single one (I’d bet my last dollar every one of them wished for one). And so, disarmed by the very laws they were told would protect them, they were “like lambs to the slaughter.” I would have much rather had the chance to #shootback. I would have given my life to protect my family, my friends and citizens. I would have much rather faced the evil than cower in fear and hope for a savior in blue. Wouldn’t have you? Wouldn’t you have risked your own life and pulled the trigger to save your mother, your lover, your friend, an innocent stranger? I strongly suspect you would have.

    The more we focus on pointing fingers and trying to blame each other the more it divides us and continues the erosion of our rights. The more distractions that are thrown about such as what types of firearms are ‘acceptable’ the more the issues are confused and muddled. The result is the slow and methodical disarming of the people. Case in point, the very rifle they’re intent on vilifying and outlawing is precisely the best rifle we have to protect ourselves. The more we become complacent and falsely dependent on a government that cannot, and almost never will be, there in time to stop the crazies whether they are terrorist groups, lone wolf, or your average psycho nut job the greater the chance is we may face the peril first hand and empty handed. Add to that ‘Warren vs. DC’ –in short: “Police Have No Duty to Protect Individuals…”(!)

    Criminals will always find a way to get guns. If not guns, then bombs, if not bombs, then fires, or poison, or cars as weapons. The list is endless and grows as our technology grows. Those that want mass death and casualties will figure out a way to hit soft targets. Happyland Nightclub is one example that comes to mind, 84 dead with nothing more than gasoline.

    ‘For the people by the people’ does not mean a Government that disarms the people to me. No, in fact ‘for the people by the people’ means EXACTLY the opposite. It means we must exercise the right to come together, to protect one another, ourselves, our family our friends. It means we must finally realize that we cannot wait for the cops to come. We must learn how to stand up for ourselves. We must take back the right to responsible carry of firearms and then be ever vigilant. Those willing to answer the call of being a true American be they LGBT, Straight, Black, White, Latin, Asian, Et al. must train ourselves to use firearms safely and responsibly. We must also learn how to assess the situation and act accordingly. It is our duty as a free people and as citizens, we are required to act ‘for the people by the people.’ In fact it is training that government should be required to offer to any law abiding citizen who is willing to stand in defense of their fellow citizens. Law abiding citizens should have access to free and thorough training done by qualified, certified professionals.

    As important as all of the above is we must never forget that we are a product of our history and all the freedoms protected by the Constitution are as vital today as they were at the beginning during the American Revolution. The threats we face to our liberties today may be even greater than those of the past as they are more subversive, clandestine and cloaked in the guise of 'progress' and the greater good. Should we forget why we fought the American Revolution, why so many were willing to sacrifice their fortunes, their property and their very lives we will be doomed to repeat it or be lost forever.

    At the end of the day we must remember it is not about fear, it’s about freedom and the preservation of liberty. It’s about freedom of speech, freedom of expression, the right to defend my family and myself and the fundamental right to self-determination. Should, God forbid, the event ever come to pass that I need to do so I will protect my family, myself and others first and worry about the consequences later. Former Chief of LAPD Ed Davis said it best, "Citizens arm yourselves, the police cannot protect you".

    Marc W. Director


    Bunny K. Transitioning M to F


    Get Involved!

    PinkPistols.org and GayswithGuns.la are social groups primarily about helping anyone to learn responsible and safe use of firearms for the use of self-defense and recreation.

    Gays With Guns also promotes the political goal of reversing the restrictive, prohibitive and extremely unconstitutional concealed weapon permit process.


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    In order to fit my message I had to move Grace's message in red below
    Last edited by Samuel Whittemore; 06-23-2016, 6:27 PM.
    "There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions." --Stefan Molyneux
  • #2
    MultiCaliber
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 513

    Good effort. Well written. Completely over their head I'm sure. This young person is an indoctrinated anti. As are many others. It's very sad.

    Hopefully your reply is visible to someone else who might be on the fence.

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    • #3
      Samuel Whittemore
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 717

      Grace's Original message I am replying too in OP above


      They’re killing us.Help us stop them" By Grace Dolan-Sandrino


      The weekend of June 12 sent me on a rollercoaster of emotions I never thought possible.

      The previous Friday, I was an invited participant in the first-ever White House Summit for African American LGBTQ Youth. I felt amazingly supported, empowered, and valued — by my school, by my family and friends, by President Obama, and by my LGBTQ community.I was inspired.

      On Saturday, I marched in the Pride Parade in our nation’s capital. I sang and danced with neighbors from every race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and gender identity. We celebrated ourselves, each other, our allies, and our bright futures.

      We were so beautiful and full of promise. I was so proud to be an Afro-Latina-Anglo transgender teen. Then came Sunday.
      I woke up to find that a hatred-filled assassin in Orlando had brutally murdered 49 members of our young, innocent, beautiful, and beloved community, and injured over 50 more.

      They say the murderer was a U.S.-born Islamic terrorist. But Omar Mateen’s hatred for my community echoes the headlines I see about rightwing fundamentalists of other faiths who call for discrimination against people like me — and for the erasure of my rights as a human being.

      His hatred echoes the oppression, arrests, and killings of my black and Latino brothers and sisters on the streets, in schools, and in our prisons. It reflects the cruelty of those who want to keep Muslims and Latinos away from our country — by force — and who still want to keep LGBTQ people from marrying each other.

      They’ll even deny us the right to pee in peace, if that’s what it takes to dehumanize and humiliate us. I’m not trying to be partisan. But it’s hard not to notice that President Obama held a summit to tell us how valued we are, while Donald Trump and many conservative lawmakers want to erase us.

      Many Republicans invoked fears of international terrorism, but most said nothing about the members of our LGBTQ communities, who were the very targets and victims. They vow more Islamophobia, but make no mention of the ease with which the killers get and use assault weapons.

      I’m only 15 years old, but I know what it’s like to have deep love and support, and I’ve witnessed and been the object of deep hatred and ignorance. I feel angry and heartbroken by this massacre.

      A culture of fear and bigotry is again taking hold of this country. But my generation demands our equality and our human rights. We want to lead, and to determine our own future. We want you not just to love us, but to support us and to listen to us. So if you don’t understand who we are and what we need, ask us.

      To start, you can fight back against laws aimed at hurting us or erasing us, like those bigoted and ridiculous bathroom bills. Punish politicians who block sensible gun control. Stop supporting lawmakers who want to exploit and exclude immigrants. Stop the people who are expelling and suspending and arresting and incarcerating us.
      They’re killing us. Help us stop them.

      We’re stronger than you think. We’re Generation Z, and we come of age in 2018. Our future is majority black and brown, and more openly queer than any before us. We know that many of you are allies. We need you, and you need us. Together we can stop the rollercoaster of fear and terror and start the climb to the mountaintop of love and liberation.

      Grace Dolan-Sandrino is a transgender teen activist. An earlier version of this piece appeared at Common Dreams.
      Last edited by Samuel Whittemore; 06-23-2016, 2:10 PM.
      "There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions." --Stefan Molyneux

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      • #4
        rplaw
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 1808

        I applaud your efforts. Though not LGBT (WTF is the Q needed for anyway?) I have represented many from that community and know the hurdles and mountains they sometimes have to climb every dam day. It is truly daunting to hear of the things they have to endure which I take for granted.

        What really PO's me is that for some reason the GOP can't find that brotherly love they all sing about in church. We need to hold out our hands to the LGBT members of society. We need to welcome them into OUR FOLD and let them know that we will accept them, for themselves, and that we will stand with them against those who want to hurt them. Be they terrorists or extremists, foreign or domestic.

        Someone needs to tell them that WE are the good guys. And WE need to drop the anti-gay crap. From our lives and our faith. You will never win friends (or votes) telling someone they are a bad person.
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        • #5
          JohnnyMtn
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2012
          • 1475

          Spectacular! That was extremely thought out and well-written. Please keep spreading that message.

          I get so frustrated when I see so many people with no real concept of what the 2nd is all about. Most that I talk to think the 2A is all about allowing people to have guns so they can go shoot cans on the weekend with the latest and greatest sniper rifle. That is where "why do you need a rifle like that?" comes from. Then there are those who think the 2A is about giving people the right to have self defense, which is at least a step in the right direction. But nobody I talk to ever understands the concept of liberty, personal responsibility, and true independence. I don't think the 2A has anything to do with guns at all. But most, sadly, see it only as a gun right.

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          • #6
            August
            Banned
            • Nov 2012
            • 2218

            Originally posted by JohnnyMtn
            I don't think the 2A has anything to do with guns at all. But most, sadly, see it only as a gun right.
            Fortunately for the rest of us on planet earth, 2A has everything to do with firearms and our right to own and to protect ourselves with them.

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            • #7
              281mach1
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2011
              • 8

              FYI, Downey has several fb groups for crime, city activities, and also that newspaper. Hint hint.



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              • #8
                sovereign2b
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 711

                Originally posted by JohnnyMtn
                Spectacular! That was extremely thought out and well-written. Please keep spreading that message.

                I get so frustrated when I see so many people with no real concept of what the 2nd is all about. Most that I talk to think the 2A is all about allowing people to have guns so they can go shoot cans on the weekend with the latest and greatest sniper rifle. That is where "why do you need a rifle like that?" comes from. Then there are those who think the 2A is about giving people the right to have self defense, which is at least a step in the right direction. But nobody I talk to ever understands the concept of liberty, personal responsibility, and true independence. I don't think the 2A has anything to do with guns at all. But most, sadly, see it only as a gun right.
                Well, since nobody that you've ever spoken to understands what the 2nd Amendment really means, could you please break it down for us? I'd sincerely like to know (what your take is).

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                • #9
                  Subotai
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 11289

                  here ya go, libtard morons!
                  Last edited by Subotai; 04-15-2018, 2:56 PM.
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                  • #10
                    wireless
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 4346

                    Originally posted by rplaw
                    I applaud your efforts. Though not LGBT (WTF is the Q needed for anyway?) I have represented many from that community and know the hurdles and mountains they sometimes have to climb every dam day. It is truly daunting to hear of the things they have to endure which I take for granted.

                    What really PO's me is that for some reason the GOP can't find that brotherly love they all sing about in church. We need to hold out our hands to the LGBT members of society. We need to welcome them into OUR FOLD and let them know that we will accept them, for themselves, and that we will stand with them against those who want to hurt them. Be they terrorists or extremists, foreign or domestic.

                    Someone needs to tell them that WE are the good guys. And WE need to drop the anti-gay crap. From our lives and our faith. You will never win friends (or votes) telling someone they are a bad person.
                    GOP is in a tough spot. They have to appeal to The Establishment, Religious Right, Tea Party, Moderate/secular Republicans, and Libertarians.

                    There really is no way to please all five of these groups. Not only do they disagree on certain issues, but they are on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

                    I fit into one of the nontraditional portions of the GOP. I do not agree with them on many issues, but I'm gritting my teeth through it. I like to compare it to the USA becoming allies with the USSR in order to defeat the Nazis. The problem is there is an entire group of people who can't get into this idea. You ask them, which side are they with and their response is "well, I just don't like war". Yeah, but that isn't an option so you have to pick one side, which is it? "I don't like war and picking sides so I don't want to pick either"...time to join f*cking reality and pick a side because "I just don't like it" won't fix the problem or get us anywhere.

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                    • #11
                      pacrat
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • May 2014
                      • 10263

                      Way to go

                      Posting on CG and other already pro 2A forums is preaching to the choir. This is a given.

                      And it's a well known fact that the Bias Stream Media is historically going to either ignore or downplay any positive 2A views.

                      Outreach to local small town papers opens a much needed dialog outlet and is a true GrassRoots expansion of 2A views.

                      It breaks my heart to read "Grace's Letter" and know that she is yet another impressionable young person who has fallen into the longterm propaganda trap so cleverly laid by a consortium of Liberal Politicians and the Bias Stream Media they control.

                      She is willing to make of herself and her peer group more "defenseless victims", because she believes in the empty promises of protection by government.

                      Former Chief of LAPD Ed Davis said it best, "Citizens arm yourselves, the police cannot protect you".

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                      • #12
                        MultiCaliber
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 513

                        Originally posted by wireless
                        GOP is in a tough spot. They have to appeal to The Establishment, Religious Right, Tea Party, Moderate/secular Republicans, and Libertarians.

                        There really is no way to please all five of these groups. Not only do they disagree on certain issues, but they are on the complete opposite end of the spectrum.

                        I fit into one of the nontraditional portions of the GOP. I do not agree with them on many issues, but I'm gritting my teeth through it. I like to compare it to the USA becoming allies with the USSR in order to defeat the Nazis. The problem is there is an entire group of people who can't get into this idea. You ask them, which side are they with and their response is "well, I just don't like war". Yeah, but that isn't an option so you have to pick one side, which is it? "I don't like war and picking sides so I don't want to pick either"...time to join f*cking reality and pick a side because "I just don't like it" won't fix the problem or get us anywhere.
                        This. Unfortunately, folks like Wireless and most of us have one set of priorities and a lot have others. It's really quite interesting to me, the ebb and flow of what the general electorate voters freak out about from election year to election year.

                        I wonder how this would've turned out in 2008... Oh wait, not going to be an issue, I guess. The Taliban haven't favored the mass shooting tactic for the most part. And ISIS did not yet exist.

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                        • #13
                          Samuel Whittemore
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 717

                          Originally posted by pacrat
                          Former Chief of LAPD Ed Davis said it best, "Citizens arm yourselves, the police cannot protect you".

                          Thanks Adding that to the piece as well as the website!!
                          "There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions." --Stefan Molyneux

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                          • #14
                            Samuel Whittemore
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 717

                            Originally posted by frankm
                            here ya go, libtard morons!
                            Looooooove that!!! Where can I get an enlarged copy to post on GWG?
                            "There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions." --Stefan Molyneux

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                            • #15
                              strongpoint
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 3115

                              Originally posted by GayGuns
                              Looooooove that!!! Where can I get an enlarged copy to post on GWG?
                              Found a version here.
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