2016 AB 1511 Santiago Loaning Firearms

[ke6guj]

More bad news hidden in these bills, if after Jan 1, 2017, you take your Cali legal AR out of state to go hunting, you cannot bring it back in. It prohibited as being "an importation of an illegal firearm."

not sure what this has to do with loaning of firearms?

but about your comment, if that rifle is registered as a RAW or is featureless, it is not a crime to take it out of state and then return with it. whether or not you can do so between 1-1-17 and the date you register it as a RAW is not clear to me yet.

[CandG]

More bad news hidden in these bills, if after Jan 1, 2017, you take your Cali legal AR out of state to go hunting, you cannot bring it back in. It prohibited as being "an importation of an illegal firearm."

Well, if you left the state with a legal firearm, it would still be legal when you come back. If you left the state with an illegal firearm, it would still be illegal when you came back. That's not really new.

A legal firearm doesn't become illegal when you take it out of state and come back, unless the laws changed while you were gone, or you modified the firearm to become illegal while you were gone.

[TheSierraDrifter]

I don't see how this affects loans at the range. It only affects the "up to 30-day loan" lending.

this exemption is not touched in the signed bill.

I'm curious about this too. I've read the bill and have done some internet research, but I don't completely understand the time limit or circumstances when it comes to what the State considers the "loan". How do they define the "loan"? Would I be able to go to the range, and target shoot with a non-family member that does not have an HSC? I'm assuming, as the legal gun owner and HSC possessing individual, it would be legal for me to hand them the gun to use during a range trip as long as they are in my presence and they are not a person prohibited from possessing a firearm...

[TheSierraDrifter]

Anybody know the above? (bump)

[CandG]

Anybody know the above? (bump)

It seems that you can still do the "up to 3 day" loan as long as you remain present with the gun. So you should be fine doing what you describe above. This law appears to only affect the "up to 30 day" loan, where you loan someone a firearm to have while you're not present.

[TheSierraDrifter]

Thanks.

[fuddle]

Also- there seems to be no start date for AB 1511. Cockedandglocked mentioned Jan 1. Where is this written?

[CandG]

Also- there seems to be no start date for AB 1511. Cockedandglocked mentioned Jan 1. Where is this written?

http://assembly.ca.gov/legislativedeadlines

Oct. 2 (2016) - Bills enacted on or before this date take effect January 1, 2017 (Art. IV, Sec. 8(c)).

Jan. 1 (2017) - Statutes take effect (Art. IV, Sec. 8(c)).


In other words, as long as a bill is signed before the legislative deadline (it was), then by default it will take effect on Jan 1 of the following year, unless specified otherwise in the bill text (it wasn't).

[fuddle]

Thank you sir.