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  • wjc
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    • Dec 2009
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    Association of Deputy DA's oppose Newsom initiative

    "Coalition for Civil Liberties Announces Los Angeles Association of Deputy District Attorneys Opposition to Newsom Ballot Initiative"

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    aphrozeus
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    • Sep 2015
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    More good news! Though I'm not sure how much clout that organization holds.

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      scratchgolf
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      • Oct 2015
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      Originally posted by aphrozeus
      More good news! Though I'm not sure how much clout that organization holds.
      It's a well know organization representing district attorneys.

      The California Police Chiefs Association would be a nice one to have on our side. I don't think they will be releasing an official statement until the initiative is on the ballot.

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        wjc
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        Either way, it's encouraging.
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          Legasat
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            The Gleam
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            • Feb 2011
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            Need to use this one too. In addition to the California State Sheriffs Association opposing Newsom's Neo-Socialist Initiative, we need to widely disperse these facts NOW in every way and forum, from nightly family dinner-table conversation to office water-cooler conversation, to broad-based campaign and outreach to voters, and not just to those on our side, but especially to the "middle" voter that admires freedom but may not be a gun owner, yet would still find all of this repugnant.

            I think there is a vast amount of voters out there who, while not gun enthusiasts in the slightest (or even gun owners) are moderate to logical enough to see this disgusting attempt at removing such balances of freedom from the general public of California as invasive if not tyrannical.

            Seeing as how their freedom of speech or other freedoms could also fall in line, in a state where it's citizens of ALL kinds have had just about enough of regulation as they can stand, this thing will lose at that hands of even common, passive voters once the danger of such an initiative like this is REALLY fully explained to them - and the intent is not twisted and fabricated into some short summary just to get them to sign the petition.
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            Originally posted by Librarian
            What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

            If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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              advocatusdiaboli
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              • Sep 2009
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              Originally posted by wjc
              "Coalition for Civil Liberties Announces Los Angeles Association of Deputy District Attorneys Opposition to Newsom Ballot Initiative"
              Until they get an LEO and Retired LEO exemption, then they'll support it.
              Just like the Roster and so many other BOHICA regulations LEOs and legal groups have horse-traded to their advantage and then changed to support.
              Last edited by advocatusdiaboli; 03-19-2016, 2:03 PM.
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                The Gleam
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                Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                Until they get an LEO and Retired LEO exemption, then they'll support it.
                Just like the Roster and so many other BOHICA regulations LEOs and legal groups have horse-traded to their advantage and them changed to support.
                It's an initiative - unlike a bill it can't be changed or revised once presented. They won't get LEO and Retired LEO exemption. There is nothing they can do about that now.
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                Originally posted by Librarian
                What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                  advocatusdiaboli
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                  Originally posted by The Gleam
                  It's an initiative - unlike a bill it can't be changed or revised once presented. They won't get LEO and Retired LEO exemption. There is nothing they can do about that now.
                  Call me jaded, but maybe that is why they are opposing it: they didn't get special treatment.
                  Last edited by advocatusdiaboli; 03-19-2016, 2:27 PM.
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                    The Gleam
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                    Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                    Call me headed, but maybe that is why they are opposing it: they didn't get special treatment.
                    I know... I've assumed the same. Agree.
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                    Originally posted by Librarian
                    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                      advocatusdiaboli
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                      Originally posted by The Gleam
                      I know... I've assumed the same. Agree.
                      Not that I don't welcome their opposition, I just won't thank them for it
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                      • #12
                        The Gleam
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                        • Feb 2011
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                        Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                        Not that I don't welcome their opposition, I just won't thank them for it
                        LOL! No, me neither. Knowing their past behavior, of course.
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                        Originally posted by Librarian
                        What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                        If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                          advocatusdiaboli
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                          Originally posted by DSB
                          Deputy district attorneys are not law enforcement officers, and therefore do not benefit from the LEO exemptions in the law. They are opposing the Newsom initiative because it is an affront to justice. The are opposing it for the same reason everyone here is opposing it.
                          So, no one ever supported something that benefited an ally for political gain even if it didn't directly benefit themselves.
                          You have me laughing at that one. Nice try.
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                            KHF1222
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                            Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                            So, no one ever supported something that benefited an ally for political gain even if it didn't directly benefit themselves.
                            You have me laughing at that one. Nice try.
                            So with the ADDA who would be the party on the other side of that to be receiving a benefit?

                            Between the lines the letter by the Los Angeles Association of Deputy District Attorneys (ADAA) is subtlety saying they do not know
                            how to enforce Newsom's initiative.
                            Last edited by KHF1222; 03-19-2016, 6:20 PM.

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                              gogohopper
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                              Originally posted by The Gleam
                              It's an initiative - unlike a bill it can't be changed or revised once presented. They won't get LEO and Retired LEO exemption. There is nothing they can do about that now.
                              Ahhhhh. That explains the opposition.
                              Originally posted by advocatusdiaboli
                              Until they get an LEO and Retired LEO exemption, then they'll support it.
                              Just like the Roster and so many other BOHICA regulations LEOs and legal groups have horse-traded to their advantage and then changed to support.
                              Originally posted by Webologist
                              I am in a sympathy-free zone as well. A leftist brown shirt reaping what he sowed after profiting from it is sweet justice indeed.

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