Gone in 60 Seconds

[sromero]

Great movie by Nicholas Cage - what do you guys think?

[EBR Works]

Yes, it is illegal. Remember, the AR lower is the weapon. Everything else is just parts.

[69Mach1]

Yes, if it's listed by name.
By name I mean the make and model list.

[JDay]

Do you really have to ask?

[EBR Works]

Yes, if it's listed by name.

It has to be listed by exact Make and model.

[69Mach1]

This reminds me. Some unfortunate gun owners who bought "on list" modified rifles with welded up mag wells from Evans do not realize they have illegal assault weapons.

[DDT]

Is possession of a disassembled on-list lower illegal? Thanks.

In most states no. In California only if it is not registered and is listed by make and model in Penal Code 12276.

[EBR Works]

This reminds me. Some unfortunate gun owners who bought "on list" modified rifles with welded up mag wells from Evans do not realize they have illegal assault weapons.

IIRC, I read that once the mag well was welded up, it was no longer considered an AW even if it was on list. Can anyone else confirm this?

[sromero]

Fast cars and fast women.

[EBR Works]

If it is not listed in PC 12276, it's not on list and therefore legal. It you don't see it listed here by exact make and model, it's legal:

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

[SJgunguy24]

IIRC, I read that once the mag well was welded up, it was no longer considered an AW even if it was on list. Can anyone else confirm this?

I do remember reading about a banned AW(lower) got a holy letter of blessing from the DOJ because it was permanatly altered.

[pedro_c111]

Thanks for the replies. And yes, I do need to ask, especially since there are conflicting answers to the question, even within this thread. So to clarify, I am referring to a completely unassembled lower (no parts whatever), and a make and model not enumerated in Penal Code 12276 (e.g. PWA). Thanks.

You state that its an ON-LIST lower but that its not listed in Penal Code 12276?

If it is not listed by make and model then it is an OFF-LIST LOWER or OLL, in which case it would NOT be illegal to own.

[EBR Works]

I do remember reading about a banned AW(lower) got a holy letter of blessing from the DOJ because it was permanatly altered.

Yep, found it here:

http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm

[hoffmang]

The frame or receiver of a firearm is not the firearm for the AW section. Possession of a listed bare frame is arguably legal. However DO NOT possess it in California. Why ask for trouble?

-Gene

[sromero]

Yeah, but I think Robert Duvall just added to that.