Olofson Family Needs Your Help This Christmas Season

[eaglemike]

Stage,
OK, several things. Your prior post said arrest - not conviction. There is a substantial difference, right?

Second - How do you feel about the acceptance and legality of the LE being able to lie, with zero consequence? Is that ok? Not legal for you to lie to LE, but very much ok for them to lie to you? Please note, I'm addressing this personally to you - since your language in the above post made it personal to me, not third person.

In reading the appeal document and the history of the case, what do you think. Can you put aside your (evident) personal feelings for a moment and look at how the case was handled by the court and the ATF, and then say with 100 percent certainty that everything was just? As in justice system?

Lastly, the transferring of a machine gun was what he was convicted of - in spite of the fact it didn't unless specific ammunition was used. In my personal experience I've seen several rifles and handguns, rimfire and centerfire, sometimes double and triple. Sometimes these were even recently worked on by a gunsmith. Sometimes they hadn't been fired much, but were completely factory original. If you - personallly you - had a gun that did this, would you want a "dynamic entry" into your home? Note that the dynamic entry was not based on LE observation, but on others testimony. Someone that saw your gun malfunction at the range could say the wrong thing, and there you are. Don't say it can't happen - see the Matt Corwin case. Please read the appeal, and tell me how you feel about the exclusion of the defense expert witness, and the floating firing pin testimony.
all the best,
Mike

[6172crew]

I suggest that folks click on the PDF's labeled "AmiciXX.pdf"

What you'll see is that there wasn't really a dispute about whether Mr. Olofson knew the gun would fire more than one round with a single pull of the trigger. All that's left on appeal is whether firing more than one round with a single pull of the trigger while not emptying the magazine is the definition of automatic that US v Staples requires. It's arguable, but this is not a completely guiltless firearms owner.

If your rifle was doubling or more would you a) fix it, b) hand it to strangers and say - oh, don't put it in the third selector position...

I don't think it should be a felony, but I can see it being against the law.

-Gene

I can get my spr w/ a timney trigger to double up by not holding the grip tight enough. Gets just about everyone who relaxes those grip, there are no nfa parts but the rifle loves to bump fire. I know this is different than 2 rounds each pull but any joe blow would think it was a machine gun. I wonder what parts he has installed?

I remember when olls just hit the streets and a guy in San leandeo forgot the disconnect spring and let loose a mag in front of a bunch of chp..

[bwiese]

I can get my spr w/ a timney trigger to double up by not holding the grip tight enough.

Then maybe you need to get rid of the Timney trigger so the rifle runs properly and legally.

[LOW2000]

Some people here believe that MG laws are inherently unjust, and will contribute whether it is a "clean" case or not.

[hoffmang]

Some people here believe that MG laws are inherently unjust, and will contribute whether it is a "clean" case or not.

However, we're about 10 years from when we should be pushing to liberalize FA. We need to run through about 3 to 4 Sons of Heller before we'll get taken seriously on the NFA issues.

-Gene

[Kestryll]

That's not the way Lou Dobbs "reported" it. He had a two-show series of coverage. This case was portrayed as in the media as a glaring example of the government overreaching.

It's also not what I've heard from both him and several who know him and the events personally.
Apparently there's more to it then is in the court record.

I remember when he got arrested.

[STAGE 2]

Stage,
OK, several things. Your prior post said arrest - not conviction. There is a substantial difference, right?

Yes there is. It confirms Olofson's propensity for ignoring gun laws.

Second - How do you feel about the acceptance and legality of the LE being able to lie, with zero consequence? Is that ok? Not legal for you to lie to LE, but very much ok for them to lie to you? Please note, I'm addressing this personally to you - since your language in the above post made it personal to me, not third person.

The LE isn't able to lie. I'm sure it happens now and again, but if you are suggesting that there is some sort of judicially sanctioned effort to allow federal agents to lie you are very much mistaken.

In reading the appeal document and the history of the case, what do you think. Can you put aside your (evident) personal feelings for a moment and look at how the case was handled by the court and the ATF, and then say with 100 percent certainty that everything was just? As in justice system?

You've really hit the crux of this matter and why I have no problem with this man being in jail. Olofson's own words convicted him. Even if we took the rifle out of the picture, the evidence was damning. Thats why the ATF could monkey around with the rifle all they want, and it wouldn't make a difference. Olofson was the one who said that he modded the rifle and installed the switch. Olofson was the one who told his buddy not to use it. Olofson never denied that he was aware the gun could go FA.

I don't know about you, but if the feds were trying to hang something on me I'd be on the stand screaming I had no idea the gun could do such a thing because that would negate an essential element of this crime.

Lastly, the transferring of a machine gun was what he was convicted of - in spite of the fact it didn't unless specific ammunition was used. In my personal experience I've seen several rifles and handguns, rimfire and centerfire, sometimes double and triple. Sometimes these were even recently worked on by a gunsmith. Sometimes they hadn't been fired much, but were completely factory original. If you - personallly you - had a gun that did this, would you want a "dynamic entry" into your home? Note that the dynamic entry was not based on LE observation, but on others testimony. Someone that saw your gun malfunction at the range could say the wrong thing, and there you are. Don't say it can't happen - see the Matt Corwin case. Please read the appeal, and tell me how you feel about the exclusion of the defense expert witness, and the floating firing pin testimony.
all the best,
Mike

Mike. With all due respect you are missing the point. Slam fires happen at ranges all the time. The feds aren't swooping down and busting people because malfunctions are not a crime. Olofson would be sitting at home enjoying christmas right now if he would have exercised a shred of common sense.

Do you loan someone a gun you know to malfunction or do you get it fixed? The answer is all too obvious. The reason why Olofson didn't do this is because he is either brain dead or the gun wasnt malfunctioning, or most likely, a combination of the two.

You don't tell your friend not to use a FA selector switch if you have no idea a gun will go FA.