AB 1663- Chiu, 2016 - Dead in Committee

[The Gleam]

the way i see it ( and please dont take this or get this wrong) is the democrats in california are gonna get what they want, REGARDLESS. we can complain, piss and moan all we want, sign petitions, jump up and down and scream, throw ourselves down and kick our feet ect and its not going to change a single thing. each and every time they put something like this together, everyone hollers,ect and it does no good.

And the way YOU "see it" is useless; expressing that openly in writing, even more so. The way you described it doesn't serve anyone, or help, other than to spread bad morale and cultivate a deafetist attitude.

You can cast derision on the very REAL actions that stop bad legislation or pursue change, that have real impact and quantitative measurement in results; but to belittle the actions or results as you have described is pointless.

We have stopped plenty of bad bills in the past (AB-374 for example) through the proper approach and proactive means , not just an empty, futile complain/piss and moan/jump up and down/scream as you claim. That might be what ineffective people do, but that is USUALLY what people who do not get involved do, as well as "the way they see it" by people who do not get involved.

If I listed every bad Anti-2nd Amendment bill that was stopped by our very real actions, not just empty complaining as you say, you would see it's about 3 to 1 success rate.

Yes, I will agree there is an uphill climb against a Democrat atmosphere that seems stacked against us, but it's entirely wrong to belittle, discount or deride those that are fighting for you, on your behalf.

What are you doing above that can NOT be considered complaining, pissing and moaning all you want, jumping up and down and screaming, throwing yourself down and kicking your feet and hollering, which is not going to change a single thing?

[ReddingShooter]

And the way YOU "see it" is useless; expressing that openly in writing, even more so. The way you described it doesn't serve anyone, or help, other than to spread bad morale and cultivate a deafetist attitude.

You can cast derision on the very REAL actions that stop bad legislation or pursue change, that have real impact and quantitative measurement in results; but to belittle the actions or results as you have described is pointless.

We have stopped plenty of bad bills in the past (AB-374 for example) through the proper approach and proactive means , not just an empty, futile complain/piss and moan/jump up and down/scream as you claim. That might be what ineffective people do, but that is USUALLY what people who do not get involved do, as well as "the way they see it" by people who do not get involved.

If I listed every bad Anti-2nd Amendment bill that was stopped by our very real actions, not just empty complaining as you say, you would see it's about 3 to 1 success rate.

Yes, I will agree there is an uphill climb against a Democrat atmosphere that seems stacked against us, but it's entirely wrong to belittle, discount or deride those that are fighting for you, on your behalf.

What are you doing above that can NOT be considered complaining, pissing and moaning all you want, jumping up and down and screaming, throwing yourself down and kicking your feet and hollering, which is not going to change a single thing?

hey everything i stated is the truth, and to be quite honest with the replies ive gotten via this thread and PM, im not the only one who sees it the way it is and the way i stated it. everyones entitled to their own opinion, and i respect yours but facts are facts. keep fighting the good fight there bro!

even then, trust me, moonbeams not up for re-election, and if he and the democrats have their way, these bills WILL PASS this time, so dont say you werent forearned and didnt expect it. he is a hard core dem, and only reason that the similarly worded ect bills werent signed before is his fear of not being re-elected. he doesnt have that fear now, and even if he does sign them and we get it in court, it will take YEARS to get any kind of decision. keep fighting the good fight there as i said, i did so for nearly 25 years and it did absolutely no good whatsoever xcept prolong the inevitable thats finally staring us in the face

[oceanrider]

why are so many democrats rushing to make any anti gun bill they can, just to jump on the bandwagon ? they know nothing about the constitution, nor anything about the american dream of hard work, law abiding, self sufficiency, and repect peoples property.

[epilepticninja]

And the way YOU "see it" is useless; expressing that openly in writing, even more so. The way you described it doesn't serve anyone, or help, other than to spread bad morale and cultivate a deafetist realist attitude.

You can cast derision on the very REAL actions that stop bad legislation or pursue change, that have real impact and quantitative measurement in results; but to belittle the actions or results as you have described is pointless. Why is it pointless? Truth hurts?

We have stopped plenty of bad bills in the past (AB-374 for example) through the proper approach and proactive means , not just an empty, futile complain/piss and moan/jump up and down/scream as you claim. That might be what ineffective people do, but that is USUALLY what people who do not get involved do, as well as "the way they see it" by people who do not get involved.

If I listed every bad Anti-2nd Amendment bill that was stopped by our very real actions, not just empty complaining as you say, you would see it's about 3 to 1 success rate. I can think of maybe two bills that were stopped, one lawsuit that was assisted with, and another lawsuit that went en banc. Please, list all the victories. Inquiring minds want to see this 3 - 1 success rate you speak of.


Yes, I will agree there is an uphill climb against a Democrat atmosphere that seems stacked against us, but it's entirely wrong to belittle, discount or deride those that are fighting for you, on your behalf. Describe exactly what this "fighting" is. I keep looking in the newspaper, on the local TV news, and listening to the radio, I don't hear any pro-gun CA politicians calling for more 2A rights in CA. All I see is Jerry giving us scraps and signing the more onerous bills. And a bunch of Democrats both state and federal, including the AG and Lt. Gov., piling on with more b.s. gun control.


What are you doing above that can NOT be considered complaining, pissing and moaning all you want, jumping up and down and screaming, throwing yourself down and kicking your feet and hollering, which is not going to change a single thing?
What am I doing? Leaving. Can't wait to go. I'm headed to the land of SBR's, suppressors, and god should I even say it....MAGAZINE RELEASE BUTTONS!! WHOOO HOOOO!!!!!!!

FIFY, had some comments, and answered your question. btw, don't hate on the people who are tired of all this crap. The whole "fighting" thing isn't working out that well. It is pretty ****ing obvious that once Newsome hits the govenership, Mr. Gleam won't even be able to own a slingshot. Meanwhile, Mr. Ninja will be blasting off rounds out of his .50 Barrett.

[RRangel]

why are so many democrats rushing to make any anti gun bill they can, just to jump on the bandwagon ? they know nothing about the constitution, nor anything about the american dream of hard work, law abiding, self sufficiency, and repect peoples property.

Because they are more concerned with touting the party line, and their political ascension within the leftist ranks, than the people they purport to serve.

To disarm the people is the best way to enslave them. That's why they're called dishonest politicians.

[Flintlock Tom]

[The Gleam]

hey everything i stated is the truth, and to be quite honest with the replies ive gotten via this thread and PM, im not the only one who sees it the way it is and the way i stated it. everyones entitled to their own opinion, and i respect yours but facts are facts. keep fighting the good fight there bro!

even then, trust me, moonbeams not up for re-election, and if he and the democrats have their way, these bills WILL PASS this time, so dont say you werent forearned and didnt expect it. he is a hard core dem, and only reason that the similarly worded ect bills werent signed before is his fear of not being re-elected. he doesnt have that fear now, and even if he does sign them and we get it in court, it will take YEARS to get any kind of decision. keep fighting the good fight there as i said, i did so for nearly 25 years and it did absolutely no good whatsoever xcept prolong the inevitable thats finally staring us in the face

I get it, and I get your frustration - just don't be so negative and keep your aim against the politicians and tyrants.

It's a real downer to have politicans tells us our pursuits are futile, but worse to come here and see fellow Calgunners saying the same.

Even when a boxer is on the ropes, his own corner isn't throwing in the towel. Even if he goes down, 99% of the time his corner his yelling at him to get up.

Some days, I just might need the above. I consider Calguns "my corner".

[The Gleam]

FIFY, had some comments, and answered your question. btw, don't hate on the people who are tired of all this crap. The whole "fighting" thing isn't working out that well. It is pretty ****ing obvious that once Newsome hits the govenership, Mr. Gleam won't even be able to own a slingshot. Meanwhile, Mr. Ninja will be blasting off rounds out of his .50 Barrett.

Beside the glaring errors in much of your reply which was not directed at you in the first place, but one at someone who has a whole Megillah of posts amounting to bashing the intent to fight the legislation at all....

You have stated that I hate the people who are tired of all this crap. (By the way, I don't know what Ebonics gave birth to "hate on" but it's not a colloquialism that I use).

What I DO hate is someone that repeatedly posts how useless, worthless, pointless or such it may be to fight the legislation at all and claim "it's not working". And I'm seeing a LOT more of that lately than ever before on Calguns. So what - do nothing? What is the point of spreading such bad morale?

For all I can tell, maybe it's just another shill trying to deflate motivation in those who DO fight such legislation. In these times of politicians turning their tactics directly to gun owners rather than just guns, I would not doubt that being utilized as a strategy.

And I feel sorry for "Mr. Ninja" - because it's not HIS .50 Barret; he is only borrowing it from the State of CA until he dies. My disclosure and exclusivity not withstanding, nor my being limited geographically, it's anyone's guess including yours as to what I'll be blasting off, where, and when - and I intend to keep it that way.

[stix213]

why are so many democrats rushing to make any anti gun bill they can, just to jump on the bandwagon ? they know nothing about the constitution, nor anything about the american dream of hard work, law abiding, self sufficiency, and repect peoples property.

They want a total gun ban because they think their supporters and donors want it. They think they can get there incrementally, so are proposing bills virtually every year with the goal of doing so.

They know more about the Constitution than you think, they just don't respect the Constitution. They also know plenty about the American dream, hard work, self sufficiency, etc, but see those things as the enemy because believers in those ideals tend to vote for their political opponents.

[epilepticninja]

Beside the glaring errors in much of your reply which was not directed at you in the first place, but one at someone who has a whole Megillah of posts amounting to bashing the intent to fight the legislation at all.... Er...what errors exactly did I make? The 3-1 success rate, yeah, I find that in error. More like -3 to 1.

You have stated that I hate the people who are tired of all this crap. (By the way, I don't know what Ebonics gave birth to "hate on" but it's not a colloquialism that I use). I said "hate on" not "hate." Interesting that you equate it to ebonics. I seriously doubt it originated in the Oakland school system, but that is a story for another time.

What I DO hate is someone that repeatedly posts how useless, worthless, pointless or such it may be to fight the legislation at all and claim "it's not working". And I'm seeing a LOT more of that lately than ever before on Calguns. So what - do nothing? What is the point of spreading such bad morale? Can't the cat have an opinion? Probably has no where else to express it.

For all I can tell, maybe it's just another shill trying to deflate motivation in those who DO fight such legislation. In these times of politicians turning their tactics directly to gun owners rather than just guns, I would not doubt that being utilized as a strategy.

And I feel sorry for "Mr. Ninja" - because it's not HIS .50 Barret; he is only borrowing it from the State of CA until he dies. My disclosure and exclusivity not withstanding, nor my being limited geographically, it's anyone's guess including yours as to what I'll be blasting off, where, and when - and I intend to keep it that way. Actually it will be mine because I won't be living in this ****hole state when I'm using it. I'll send you a postcard.

For such a great state with a ton of outdoors stuff to offer (and hot chicks), the politicians here have really turned it into a ghetto'd up mess. They tax the shizz out of the same people that they subjugate the crap out of. Then they give it all to the low-info voters who go along with every stupid law they put forward. Go figure.

[The Gleam]

Get ready for some jail time. Or maybe acute lead poisoning as well. There is no fight to be fought here. I'll continue saying what I've been saying all along: there is no fight here. It's over. We lost. We are vastly, VASTLY out outvoted by leftists. It's not even close. There is nothing we can do to stop it, this state is a lost cause. It's not going to get better, it's going to get worse, as a tidal wave of ready made Dem voters flood into this country with their hands out for all the freebies.

Like what I'm talking about above, applies here. OK - we get it, but what's the point of repeat posts over and over saying this in a thread started essentially by the head janitor of the site itself, which is in a sense a call-to-arms?

The way I see the post above is like this: there really is no need for an Atheist to post or even go into the forum entitled "Discussions of Faith" and deride the beliefs, good-fight, and discussions of those in that forum, or even repeatedly profess there is no God.

How does that serve you OR the people in that forum? What's the point? Especially when it's something you can't prove is true beyond a reasonable doubt.


Therefore, just as Atheists should be kicked out of that forum, as they aren't discussing faith, similarly "Anti-ists" should be kicked out of this forum or thread. You really don't have any business being here and your input serves nobody, nor is it something you can prove is true beyond a reasonable doubt.

So OK, we get that YOU see fighting this legislation in CA as futile, useless, there is no fight here FOR YOU. It's over FOR YOU. YOU lost FOR YOU.

YOU don't speak for the WE - and I question anyone who repeatedly upholds such a chant and mantra. Why are you here in the first place?

[The Gleam]

For such a great state with a ton of outdoors stuff to offer (and hot chicks), the politicians here have really turned it into a ghetto'd up mess. They tax the shizz out of the same people that they subjugate the crap out of. Then they give it all to the low-info voters who go along with every stupid law they put forward. Go figure.

Agree... but keep fighting. And no need to bash others when they don't give up.

Thank you.

[KingChiron]

Because they are more concerned with touting the party line, and their political ascension within the leftist ranks, than the people they purport to serve.

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[JeffSD]

Therefore, just as Atheists should be kicked out of that forum, as they aren't discussing faith, similarly "Anti-ists" should be kicked out of this forum or thread. You really don't have any business being here and your input serves nobody, nor is it something you can prove is true beyond a reasonable doubt.

So OK, we get that YOU see fighting this legislation in CA as futile, useless, there is no fight here FOR YOU. It's over FOR YOU. YOU lost FOR YOU.

YOU don't speak for the WE - and I question anyone who repeatedly upholds such a chant and mantra. Why are you here in the first place?

Pardon me if I am misunderstanding your comment. Are you suggesting that because I have a realistic opinion of the state of gun control in California, because I do not unrealistically espouse Pollyanna views, I should be removed from this site?

I am here because I am a supporter of Second Amendment rights, because I believe in self defense, and I love target shooting guns. I have been on this site for several years, discussing all manner of gun-related topics, among which are my opinions on the futility of fighting gun control in a state so overwhelmingly controlled by leftist gun grabbers. I have nothing to prove to you.

You say I don't have any business being on this site, that I and others who don't see things the way you do should be kicked from this site? Such intolerance, in my experience, has been the province of the left, of the gun grabbers. What an asset you have proven to be to Calguns.

[ReddingShooter]

hey as i mentioned before, im still waiting for these "patriots" AND the "armed resistance" we keep hearing about that are going to fight for everyones 2A rights to stand up and do what their gonna do!....

now that most of the guys up in oregon have been cleaned out we need some new comedy tv to watch on the news.....