Cost of CCW permit versus illegal carry.

[hnoppenberger]

a 'loaded weapon carry' misdemeanor isnt a big deal

u lose no rights, it only becomes a problem if you have priors (as in hardened criminal)

besides, if your a law abiding citizen, then you will NEVER be searched by a cop, because u have no reason to be.

[Meplat]

I disagree. My record is clean as the driven snow. I have a CCW and a 'Homeland security" Hazmat clearance on my class A commercial drivers licence. I have been "frisked" twice.

a 'loaded weapon carry' misdemeanor isnt a big deal

u lose no rights, it only becomes a problem if you have priors (as in hardened criminal)

besides, if your a law abiding citizen, then you will NEVER be searched by a cop, because u have no reason to be.

[xs2k]

What if your life is in imminent danger and you carry illegally because you're a diamond broker. Some robbers approach you, and you're in the street. Does that give you the right to use it? Lets say you used it for whatever reason, what charges can they bring upon you besides carrying without a license?

[Ricky B]

besides, if your a law abiding citizen, then you will NEVER be searched by a cop, because u have no reason to be.

Not necessarily true.

For example, if you are in an accident and need medical care, an illegally carried gun might come to light without a LEO search.

Or if a store wrongfully detains you for shoplifting, you can bet that they will use the gun charge to deflect a civil suit.

I once was called for jury duty where it appeared that the defendant, who was being prosecuted for illegal carry (and not shoplifting), had been arrested by store detectives at Sears, who found an illegally carried handgun.

[gravedigger]

This is why I am moving out of this God-forsaken state.

[Doheny]

Not worth it.

Luckily, I have a CCW, but if I didn't and felt I was going to be somewhere dangerous enough that I would need a gun, I wouldn't go there in the first place.

[Fate]

Luckily, I have a CCW, but if I didn't and felt I was going to be somewhere dangerous enough that I would need a gun, I wouldn't go there in the first place.

Then why do you need a CCW at all?????

[DDT]

So that he can go places where he wouldn't feel safe if he didn't have the CCW. I'm not sure what was confusing about his post.

[Fate]

So that he can go places where he wouldn't feel safe if he didn't have the CCW.

That's not tactically smart. A CCW doesn't make you invincible. Some places are better off avoided altogether, armed or not. (And Doheny seems to have figured that last part out...mostly).

To quote Tom Givens of Rangemaster: "I carry a handgun when I absolutely, positively, am 100% sure that I am not going to get into a gun fight. Otherwise I would carry a rifle."

In other words, CCW is for when you AREN'T expecting trouble.

[GuyW]

So that he can go places where he wouldn't feel safe if he didn't have the CCW. I'm not sure what was confusing about his post.

It undermines the entire basis for a CCW. He doesn't need one, because he can just avoid (purportedly) the situation where he'll need a gun...

...which is exactly what the Sheriffs and COPs tell all the outsiders who want a CCW...

...and its a damned lie that kills innocent people...
.

[DDT]

Are you just picking nits or do you truly think it is foolish to want greater protection when there is greater risk?

[DDT]

It undermines the entire basis for a CCW. He doesn't need one, because he can just avoid (purportedly) the situation where he'll need a gun...

I can "just avoid" leaving my home. Order everything online etc. Where do you draw the line?

Perhaps not being able to go to these places prevents him from the profession he wants to have, or perhaps these places are the only place with a church of his denomination and he is no longer able to exercise his right to pursue happiness or his 1st amendment rights for want of a gun.

[Fate]

It undermines the entire basis for a CCW. He doesn't need one, because he can just avoid (purportedly) the situation where he'll need a gun...

...which is exactly what the Sheriffs and COPs tell all the outsiders who want a CCW...

...and its a damned lie that kills innocent people...
.

GuyW got my point.

My original was somewhat tongue in cheek. I suppose I could have done a better job tying my comment more clearly to the LEO/Politician mindset GuyW describes.

Keeping and bearing arms for the purpose of self defense is a natural right of all men. That my local Sheriff (Lee Baca) views the issuance of CCW licenses as "Blagovitch Bucks" spits in the face of the 2nd Amendment. Something I hope to see fixed one day.

Are you just picking nits or do you truly think it is foolish to want greater protection when there is greater risk?

No, it's not foolish to want protection at anytime. The foolish thing is to believe there is no risk.

[DDT]

My original was somewhat tongue in cheek.

Gotcha, didn't realize you were just playing CLEO's advocate. I'm still new here and don't know everyone's sense of humor, I'll learn.

[Glock22Fan]

The brown smelly stuff can happen anywhere at any time. I don't cancel my fire insurance when we are in a low-risk season. I might leave my Glock at home for other reasons, but not usually because I think that where I'm going is relatively safe.