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  • 7x57
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2008
    • 5182

    Tweaked triggers and carry guns

    I have a question, hope this is the right forum.

    I have a friend who does his own trigger jobs (he's a machinist by day). He was recently told (by a cop, and you know they *always* know the law) that he shouldn't do that for a defense gun. As far as I can tell the rationale was that a prosecutor could make a lot of mileage out of your "hair triggers."

    I know all about not using reloaded ammo, but is the trigger really a legal consideration (as long as it is not so light it actually is a hair trigger, rather than simply a good one)?

    On the bright side, his reaction was "all my guns have trigger jobs, I guess I'll just have to buy some more for home defense." So he might not thank me for telling him it's OK.... :-)

    7x57
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  • #2
    WokMaster1
    Part time Emperor
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Mar 2006
    • 5436

    It just gives the other side more ammo, so to speak. It is not against the law but a lawyer might use that to potray you as a bloodthirsty, itchy trigger fingered vigilante gun owner just waiting for an opportunity to shoot a poor, confused kid who broke into your house because he's hungry.
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    • #3
      nhanson
      Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 283

      Originally posted by 7x57
      I have a question, hope this is the right forum.

      I have a friend who does his own trigger jobs (he's a machinist by day). He was recently told (by a cop, and you know they *always* know the law) that he shouldn't do that for a defense gun. As far as I can tell the rationale was that a prosecutor could make a lot of mileage out of your "hair triggers."

      I know all about not using reloaded ammo, but is the trigger really a legal consideration (as long as it is not so light it actually is a hair trigger, rather than simply a good one)?

      On the bright side, his reaction was "all my guns have trigger jobs, I guess I'll just have to buy some more for home defense." So he might not thank me for telling him it's OK.... :-)

      7x57
      I don't think it has ever been put to a trial test, maybe someone else can enlighten on that aspect.

      The Orange Co sheriff basically set a defacto trigger weight standard by prohibiting anyone (LEO or CCW) from carrying any handgun with a trigger pull of less than four (4) pounds. No mention is made about trigger jobs, stock part, or extreme customizations......just >4lbs.

      Seems to me that defacto standard should put off any attorney as long as your trigger is >4lbs.......mine run about 4 1/2 lbs.

      Enjoy

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      • #4
        ohsmily
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2005
        • 8933

        Don't worry about it. That said, it is my opinion that it would be irresponsible to have an extremely light match trigger, like less than 2 pounds, on a carry gun.
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        • #5
          Meplat
          Calguns Addict
          • Jul 2008
          • 6903

          A lot of "stock" S&W revolvers will be under that.



          Originally posted by nhanson
          I don't think it has ever been put to a trial test, maybe someone else can enlighten on that aspect.

          The Orange Co sheriff basically set a defacto trigger weight standard by prohibiting anyone (LEO or CCW) from carrying any handgun with a trigger pull of less than four (4) pounds. No mention is made about trigger jobs, stock part, or extreme customizations......just >4lbs.

          Seems to me that defacto standard should put off any attorney as long as your trigger is >4lbs.......mine run about 4 1/2 lbs.

          Enjoy
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          • #6
            RomanDad
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 3478

            Originally posted by 7x57
            I have a question, hope this is the right forum.

            I have a friend who does his own trigger jobs (he's a machinist by day).
            Bad idea for a carry gun....
            Life is too short to drive a Ferrari...

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            • #7
              sorensen440
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2007
              • 8611

              I would only worry about liability due to an accidental discharge
              "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                eaglemike
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jan 2008
                • 3854

                Originally posted by Meplat
                A lot of "stock" S&W revolvers will be under that.
                Not double action, my friend. IMHO one should never, ever have a double action revolver cocked in a SD situation. Double action, practice, pratice, practice.

                all the best,
                Mike
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                • #9
                  sorensen440
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 8611

                  Originally posted by eaglemike
                  Not double action, my friend. IMHO one should never, ever have a double action revolver cocked in a SD situation. Double action, practice, pratice, practice.

                  all the best,
                  Mike
                  I've always thought it odd when seeing people practice at the range that rarely do they practice double action
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                  • #10
                    freakshow10mm
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 3061

                    I have never seen an single case where there was a conviction due to the shooter having a modified gun or handloaded ammunition.

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                    • #11
                      sorensen440
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 8611

                      Originally posted by freakshow10mm
                      I have never seen an single case where there was a conviction due to the shooter having a modified gun or handloaded ammunition.
                      yeah but but my uncles cousin new a guy who was friends with a girl who dated a cop once
                      and he said it happened
                      "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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                      • #12
                        freakshow10mm
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 3061

                        Heard that too. Never any proof. Even from the gun rag gurus like Mr Ayoob. He cites two cases he worked on, neither of which were self defense.

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                        • #13
                          WokMaster1
                          Part time Emperor
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 5436

                          Originally posted by freakshow10mm
                          I have never seen an single case where there was a conviction due to the shooter having a modified gun or handloaded ammunition.
                          According to Massad Ayoob's writings in gun magazines, he had to testify on a few cases as an expert witness. No specific case numbers but it gave location & details. Have to look it up.
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                          • #14
                            freakshow10mm
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 3061

                            Yes. Again. He fails to point to a case where there was a conviction. I've been on Mr Ayoob's case about proving what he writes. He has not come up with solid evidence or any case. I've been battling with him on the forums for over 5 years. I've even been banned from a few because I wouldn't drink the kool aid.

                            People who read gun rags fail to realize the job of the writer is to sell articles that will sell products. I should know. I'm good friends with Lee Arten, a gun writer, that lives 3 blocks away from me. His wife works with my wife. We've met.

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                            • #15
                              Mulay El Raisuli
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 3613

                              Originally posted by 7x57
                              I know all about not using reloaded ammo, but is the trigger really a legal consideration (as long as it is not so light it actually is a hair trigger, rather than simply a good one)?

                              7x57

                              Could you share what it is about handloads that is a problem? I've never even heard of anything about legal problems by using such.

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