Even the "Liberal Gun Club thinks Newsom is BS

[viet4lifeOC]

. From a strategic perspective I would rather have some people on the opposite team from me (politically) who have the credibility within their own party to criticize bad policy, and to serve as an example within left-leaning circles that gunowners aren't a monolithic block who are always on the "wrong" side.

Credibility?

Let's say I'm pro 2A...and a Democrat and Republican both argued against 2A/ or for common sense gun control. I'd still reject both their arguments regardless of the political leanings.

My support in 2A is based on my research and personal experience not by my political affiliation.

When I was a liberal...I was pro 2A....later I became a fiscal conservative....I'm still 2A.

I'm pretty sure a progressive could easily label a Democrat a "gun nut" as he/she dies a Republican.

[TRICKSTER]

Don't suppose this would be an opportune time to point out that most folks around here support the party of James Brady, Paul Helmke, Arnie, "Gun Ban Dan" Lungren, and (until 2007) Michael Bloomberg.

We get it, the D's are, on average, much more anti-gun than the R's are. But I just don't understand this dogpiling that always happens whenever somebody mentions a left-leaning pro-gun group or individual. Mostly because they're in such a tiny minority around here, yet people like to pretend that half of CGN is voting D (my guess is its more like 10% at the high end).

Ok, so in tank's perfect world 100% of active calgunners vote R (instead of just 90%). What changes? Nothing at all, the number of voters to whom gun rights are a serious issue but who identify politically according to other beliefs is just too small to swing any elections. Not to say a candidate can't alienate a much more substantial population of gun owners who don't typically consider gun rights an important issue, but doing that requires the candidate take a position extreme enough to pop up on the radars of gun owners who don't consider gun politics until somebody starts talking confiscation.

From a strategic perspective I would rather have some people on the opposite team from me (politically) who have the credibility within their own party to criticize bad policy, and to serve as an example within left-leaning circles that gunowners aren't a monolithic block who are always on the "wrong" side.

You have been here since 2008 and haven't noticed that a large chunk of calgunners that post here claim to vote D, L or not vote at all?

By the way, many of us are simply supporting the only major party that doesn't have gun control as part of their national platform.

[Write Winger]

[Dr Rockso]

Let's say I'm pro 2A...and a Democrat and Republican both argued against 2A/ or for common sense gun control. I'd still reject both their arguments regardless of the political leanings.

Judging from the fact that you're here it's a safe bet that you're not indifferent to gun politics. If guns were an issue you didn't have strong opinions on you're certainly going to be more receptive to hearing the thoughts of someone who is aligned with you on other issues. Just having someone in the room who can say "shall-issue CHLs are the law in 41 states and the sky didn't fall" or "gun-deaths is a misleading statistic because 60% are suicides" is huge.

[viet4lifeOC]

Judging from the fact that you're here it's a safe bet that you're not indifferent to gun politics. If guns were an issue you didn't have strong opinions on you're certainly going to be more receptive to hearing the thoughts of someone who is aligned with you on other issues. Just having someone in the room who can say "shall-issue CHLs are the law in 41 states and the sky didn't fall" or "gun-deaths is a misleading statistic because 60% are suicides" is huge.

I didn't say I'm indifferent.

I said that I'd wouldn't give more weight or allow myself to be more easily persuaded simply because someone is in my same political party.

My stance in 2A was from personal experience, history's lessons, research, and common sense. I did not derive it from being affiliated with a particular political party.

Did you Jimmy Webb...the four other candidates, Anderson Cooper, or audience weren't receptive to his views on gun issue simply because he was a Democrat. In fact, I'll argue because he was a Democrat....they viewed him with, "WTF are you doing in this party."

[Mayor McRifle]

From a strategic perspective I would rather have some people on the opposite team from me (politically) who have the credibility within their own party to criticize bad policy, and to serve as an example within left-leaning circles that gunowners aren't a monolithic block who are always on the "wrong" side.

Exactly. I think that most people understand this; it's just a vocal few who would rather let the house burn down than join a bucket brigade with Democrats. At least I hope most people understand this. If we want to defend, and even win back, gun rights in a blue state, we have to have Democrats on our side.

[sl0re10]

If I might interrupt the thread crapping...

What is the fund raising loophole? That funds raised by a committee (Form 410 filings and all) for support of an initiative can simply be rolled over to some other campaign? Or that the funds are used by the proponent, in this case Newsom, to keep him in the spotlight while campaigning on the initiative prior to starting his gubernatorial run?

Normal programming can now be resumed...

Gavin can put his smug all over the TV and radio and say it is not part of his run for governor. Its for the proposition.

[Occams Rasor]

We need to get everyone on board against Newsom, looks like Liberal Gun Club is on board, we also need the Pink Pistols on board and The National African American Gun Association,

They're liberals, and therefore suffer from a mental disorder, remember? That type of ally you don't need. You need to focus on ostracizing as many liberals as possible.

The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.

We need to make this Newsom's waterloo.

[tankarian]

Exactly. I think that most people understand this; it's just a vocal few who would rather let the house burn down than join a bucket brigade with Democrats. At least I hope most people understand this. If we want to defend, and even win back, gun rights in a blue state, we have to have Democrats on our side.

This letter written by a Calguns liberal gun owner and adressed to potential Governor candidate Gavin Newsom was delivered by mistake to my mailbox. I am making it public in order to encourage other Calguns liberals to join the action:



"Dear Gavin,

My name is Rainbow A. Lefty and I am a lifetime Democrat voter.

I just want you to know that I strongly disagree with your anti-gun proposal. I own guns and shoot as a hobby. You don't have to worry hon, this is nothing too serious. As I just said it's just a hobby; climate change, public employees union rights and gay marriage are and will still be my main concern when I will vote for you in the next Governor election.

So darling, please pay attention now because I'm only going to give you only one warning:

If you don't drop your anti-gun proposal now (and I mean right this moment, stop what you re doing and drop it), I solemnly promise that next election when you will run for Governor of California I'm going to check the box next to your name and I'm going to wag my finger in anger at the ballot before I drop it in the ballot box.

Bad Gavin! Bad, bad Gavin shame on you!

So good luck to you next election and see you comfortably installed at the Governor's residence.

Lefty
P.S. Did I told you your hair looks fabulous? What kind of conditioner are you using?

[dlcain]

[QUOTE=tankarian;17090854]This letter written by a Calguns liberal gun owner and adressed to potential Governor candidate Gavin Newsom was delivered by mistake to my mailbox. I am making it public in order to encourage other Calguns liberals to join the action:

Dear Gavin,

My name is Rainbow A. Lefty and I am a lifetime Democrat voter.

I just want you to know that I strongly disagree with your anti-gun proposal. I own guns and shoot as a hobby. You don't have to worry hon, this is nothing too serious. As I just said it's just a hobby; climate change, public employees union rights and gay marriage are and will still be my main concern when I will vote for you in the next Governor election.

So darling, please pay attention now because I'm only going to give you only one warning:

If you don't drop your anti-gun proposal now (and I mean right this moment, stop what you re doing and drop it), I solemnly promise that next election when you will run for Governor of California I'm going to check the box next to your name and I'm going to wag my finger in anger at the ballot before I drop it in the ballot box.
Bad Gavin! Bad, bad Gavin shame on you.

So good luck next election and see you around at the Governor's residence.

Lefty
P.S. Did I told you your hair looks fabulous? What kind of conditioner are you using?

FFS. Ok, you made your point. You don't like people who vote Democrat. Got it. Now will you stop hijacking the thread?

[tankarian]

FFS. Ok, you made your point. You don't like people who vote Democrat. Got it. Now will you stop hijacking the thread?

Truth upsets you?

Are you one of those gun owners who next election will wag the finger in anger at the voting ballot after you check the box next to Newsom's name?
Yeah, that's going to teach him and other gun hating politicians like him a lesson!

[dlcain]

Truth upsets you?

Truth doesn't upset me. Posting an OPINOIN over and over and over again does NOTHING to progress conversation on the issue at hand. Get it? Over and over and over and over. Jeezes a broken record.

[tankarian]

True doesn't upset me. Posting an OPINOIN over and over and over again does NOTHING to progress conversation on the issue at hand. Get it? Over and over and over and over. Jeezes a broken record.

Nobody is forcing you to read anything.
Bye.

[dlcain]

Nobody is forcing you to read anything.
Bye.

Over and over and over.....

[dlcain]

Exactly. I think that most people understand this; it's just a vocal few who would rather let the house burn down than join a bucket brigade with Democrats. At least I hope most people understand this. If we want to defend, and even win back, gun rights in a blue state, we have to have Democrats on our side.

^^this