Knock off receivers, serialized frames.

[nicki]

Some food for thought.

How effective would gun registrations be if someone started making knock offs on current guns and using existing markings and serial numbers.

For example, someone makes a AR reciever and marks them with Bushmaster and stamps them randomly with know serial numbers that have already been sold.

Same with say 1911 frames.

They buy up non serialized number parts to build the rest of the guns and then they just casually sell the guns.

Here they would create cold untraceable guns, and if someone was caught with the gun, there are serial numbers, so person would have defense against a gun without a serial number.

If DA's realized they had a defendant who had a dupilicate gun, would a DA want to prosecute someone who was carrying a duplicate serial number gun and risk that becoming part of a court record.

I say that because if it became widespread, it would undermine the whole gun registration system.

Fortunately, I know this forum is full of good people who follow all government commands

I know that no one on this forum would a buy a knockoff reciever that had the markings and serial numbers of original receivers that they own and filled out a form 4473 on.

I'm sure the stories I read years back in Soldier of Fortune about the Chinese government and the CIA making knock off M 16s and AK 47s are just urban legend.

Nicki

[bohoki]

it could happen people break laws every day

not to sure about the penalty for possession if one was purchased on good faith

of course here in california it would have to be an off list lower name

unless the hong kong knockoff artists misspelled bushmaster to brushmatser

like they do with those nice bolex watches

[ke6guj]

The guy making the guns would need to be a licensed manufacturer. His name would need to be on it, so it wouldn't be a duplicate of the BUshmaster. Plus Bushmaster would sue for trademark infringemnet.

[AJAX22]

Some food for thought.

How effective would gun registrations be if someone started making knock offs on current guns and using existing markings and serial numbers.

What makes you think that doesn't happen already ?

[nicki]

ke6guj The guy making the guns would need to be a licensed manufacturer. His name would need to be on it, so it wouldn't be a duplicate of the BUshmaster. Plus Bushmaster would sue for trademark infringemnet.
People making knockoffs probably wouldn't have business licenses, they would set up illegal manufacturing in a undisclosed locations.

They would probably blend in, maybe have a legit business front.

Nicki

[ke6guj]

OK, but for what reason would a company spend all the money to make knock-offs when for less than $2500 a year in fees and licenses be legit and make legal firearms.

Yes, a company could do what you suggest in an attempt to gum up the legal system, but why, when if they have the knowledge to build a working gun, to make the money legally? Its not like knocking off LV purses in a sweatshop.

Maybe if all legal production was ceased, but pre-owned firearms were legal, then there might be a point in it.

[WokMaster1]

ke6guj The guy making the guns would need to be a licensed manufacturer. His name would need to be on it, so it wouldn't be a duplicate of the BUshmaster. Plus Bushmaster would sue for trademark infringemnet.


People making knockoffs probably wouldn't have business licenses, they would set up illegal manufacturing in a undisclosed locations.

They would probably blend in, maybe have a legit business front.

Nicki

But sir, honestly I am just a humble panties seller......0000

[ptoguy2002]

Whats with the food for thought threads on illegal mfg scenerios?

[Captain Evilstomper]

i think she's saying that with all the BS in the gun registations, itwould not be srprising if somebody bought a bunch of 80% forgings or something and then machined them or marked them somehow so that they could pass them off as the real deal. it would be a lot of profit for someone if they could pull it off. esp with the price that lowers are going for now, and even more so if they went up in price....and if someone were going to do this they would have to put serials on them to avoid undue suspicion. so basically counterfeit lowers, or 1911 frames or whatever...which WOULD totally undermine the registration system.
le's hope that this doesn' happen though because they would probably pas more difficult, stringent, and idiotic registration laws.
wait, what am i thinking? the california legislators would never do something that was reactionary, or anything less than totally logical and well-thought-out!

[nicki]

Knock off products.

Guys.

First of all if you are making a illegal product, you are not going to get business licenses, pay license fees or pay taxes on your profits.

There are many people who would buy guns without any paperwork.

For someone who had to register guns, what better way to have a cold gun than to have a dupicate gun with correct numbers and markings.

If the day comes like it did in England, just hand in one, collect your compensation and as far as the government is concerned, you complied with the law.

The truth is ALL GUNS since 1969 have some papertrail due to the GCA68.

Black market manufactured guns would have no record of their existence.

With markings of guns that are in the system, they would just assume the identities of guns already in existence.

Nicki