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[xenophobe]

I have expirienced his tongue prior to this discussion, and it just gets old.

*yawn*

Blah blah blah

[mailman]

*yawn*

I second that motion!

[bwiese]

As usual, complete nonsense BS coming from Xenophobe/San Jose Gun Exchange

Xeno is no longer working there, just 'friends of the business'.

And I dare say just one of his posts has more informational content than the sum of all your posts.

A certain Metcalf RO may or may not have had issues w/OLL rifles.

. Nothing has changed there in 20 years. I still can't get over you guys selling $75 lowers to the general public for $250,

Yep, nothing's changed: generally good pricing, friendly atmosphere, one of the best gunsmiths around, etc.

If you don't like their price, go somehwere else. You won't find one in the bay area unless you maybe find an 'order it yourself' FFL transfer dealer.

But these are one of the few FFLs that sells lowers as 'standard stocked items', right on the shelf. As a full service gunshop doing biz for the long term, they'll get max attention from DOJ. It was only a few months ago, remember, that the DOJ was harrassing OLL FFL dealers with aggressive audits that had, in essence, all the characteristics of 'raids'. Those 'audits' involved the shop shutting down for nearly a day (or more?) with consequent loss of business.

and failing to inform anyone that these lowers may be illegal to build into rifles. F'ing crooks.

May be illegal to build into rifles? Not at all. You are unclear on the concept.
They are illegal to build into rifles only n certain configurations, and SJGE indeed offers guidance how to stay legal.

Stop talkin' thru your arse.

[mailman]

As usual, complete nonsense BS coming from Xenophobe/San Jose Gun Exchange. Nothing has changed there in 20 years. I still can't get over you guys selling $75 lowers to the general public for $250, and failing to inform anyone that these lowers may be illegal to build into rifles. F'ing crooks.





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I bite my thumb at u sir

[tankerman]

*yawn*

Darn my feelings are soooo hurt, I'm gonna tell mommy.

[tpliquid1]

i love innernet fighting.

[mailman]

my father in law went to the sunnyvale R & G yesterday and had no problems, looking older might change things though, hmm....

[Drifter721]

Xeno is no longer working there, just 'friends of the business'.

And I dare say just one of his posts has more informational content than the sum of all your posts.

A certain Metcalf RO may or may not have had issues w/OLL rifles.




Yep, nothing's changed: generally good pricing, friendly atmosphere, one of the best gunsmiths around, etc.

If you don't like their price, go somehwere else. You won't find one in the bay area unless you maybe find an 'order it yourself' FFL transfer dealer.

But these are one of the few FFLs that sells lowers as 'standard stocked items', right on the shelf. As a full service gunshop doing biz for the long term, they'll get max attention from DOJ. It was only a few months ago, remember, that the DOJ was harrassing OLL FFL dealers with aggressive audits that had, in essence, all the characteristics of 'raids'. Those 'audits' involved the shop shutting down for nearly a day (or more?) with consequent loss of business.





May be illegal to build into rifles? Not at all. You are unclear on the concept.
They are illegal to build into rifles only n certain configurations, and SJGE indeed offers guidance how to stay legal.

Stop talkin' thru your arse.

Obviously you have no idea of the bad reputation the San Jose Gun Exchange has in this area. I've been a shooter/collector/firearms instructor for over 20 years in the area and know how these guys operate first hand and from their ex-customers.

You can spend $5000 in that store and when you walk out the door they will all be laughing at what an idiot you are. I've been in the store when they did that to an elderly guy that trusted he was getting a reasonable price on a couple of hunting rifles. They didn't even care that I was hearing it. I walked out and never looked back or set foot in that store again.

One of their ex-employees told me about how they rip off widows on a regular basis, giving them .25 cents on the dollar for their deceased husband's collection. How would you like that?

Dealer cost on these AR type lowers is $70-$75. How much profit is the SJGE making at $250 per? That's a 333% markup! DD's Ranch on line sells them for $99 retail.

I would not set foot in that store if I were you.









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[stickman]

A buddy of mine did go shoot his OLL with his son at Los Altos several weeks ago on the tin can range with no issues...

Brian

[Joe]

i was at richmond on saturday with my SRB/detachable mag rifle and no one seemed to care. sighted in my scope and enjoyed my first time shooting my rifle.

[bwiese]

Obviously you have no idea of the bad reputation the San Jose Gun Exchange has in this area. I've been a shooter/collector/firearms instructor for over 20 years in the area and know how these guys operate first hand and from their ex-customers.

I know a lot of people that are happy, too. I don't think any store can offer 100% satisfaction. I and others bought stuff there I'm happy with. And if I tire of it I can sell/trade it back at a reasonable non-crap price.

They have one of the best gunsmiths around. His prices are reasonable, and his time estimates are reasonable too (he's usu overbooked but his knows his pace).

One of their ex-employees told me about how they rip off widows on a regular basis, giving them .25 cents on the dollar for their deceased husband's collection. How would you like that?

Well, that's an ex-employee. I'd want the info from someone more reliable than someone with a possible prior beef, and his idea of value might well be screwy too.

A dealer only survives via buy-low/sell-hi. THEY'RE A BUSINESS, NOT A CHARITY. The widow may well not have been able to sell in bulk (all items at once) anywhere else. She likely just wanted to get rid of the guns. Those guns then have to sit on the shelf for an extended time - taking heat, lights, real estate - before any profit comes out of them. Lotsa old guns just sit around and don't turn - lord knows I've seen a lot of old guns at SJGE. Those extended carrying costs alone are probably 1/4-1/3 the value of the gun.

Dealer cost on these AR type lowers is $70-$75. How much profit is the SJGE making at $250 per? That's a 333% markup! DD's Ranch on line sells them for $99 retail.

Irrelevant. DD's ranch is not a local dealer. You still need a transfer dealer in your area (unless you wanna drive a long distance), which is gonna add a markup.

Frankly SJGE is balls-out handling these lowers as standard-stocked items in inventory, which I'm sure p*sses off DOJ.

If you don't like the price, you can trot around and make your own arrangements. Maybe your time isn't worth too much. If I were buying an OLL now, I'd pay $30+ extra to just go to a store and buy the item and not have to waste time ordering here, there, finding a cooperative FFL, etc. These are things you HAD to do in the early days. But not everyone liked to go to secret FFLs with a 1 hour window, etc. for group buys. That was great when the OLL craze began as it "got 'er done". Some of that price compensates them for the risk of a more aggressive audit from DOJ that could well shut the store down for a day + of lost business.

You apparently don't like profit. Socialism is nice, eh?

I would not set foot in that store if I were you.

Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous place. I might find something I like. The Ruger 50th Blackhawk in 44Mag is beckoning.

[m24armorer]

Advice to Drifter, seek a non profit gunshop. They always have the best deals. I do know that the overhead of someone who does not have a retail location lets them sell for less. So shop there!

[tpliquid1]

Advice to Drifter, seek a non profit gunshop. They always have the best deals. I do know that the overhead of someone who does not have a retail location lets them sell for less. So shop there!

any1 know where i can find this non profit shop? i dont like paying retail for anything.

[xenophobe]

Update on Metcalf. It was not a regular employee but a volunteer rangemaster... And yes, this DID happen. It was some old guy who probably would will give you mean looks if your rifle didn't have a wood stock or a leupold on it... Either that or one of our customers was lying to our faces.

You can spend $5000 in that store and when you walk out the door they will all be laughing at what an idiot you are.

That's a downright lie.

One of their ex-employees told me about how they rip off widows on a regular basis, giving them .25 cents on the dollar for their deceased husband's collection. How would you like that?

Bullcrap. We generally pay 40-60 cents on the retail dollar for used guns. Less for items that will sit around a year or two... more for something highly collectible. On trade-ins, many times we give 80% or more.

Not that it should matter, but we had receivers in stock for sale in January... before any retail store in California would sell them, except for Wes @ 10%. Except when he stopped, we started. So at the time we were the ONLY retail store selling them. Do I think our receiver prices are high? Yes, and I've argued to the owner about this. He's still waiting for the DOJ to come in and harass us, and he says that's what he wants. If you don't like it, but it somewhere else for cheaper. We'll still do the transfer.

And... Why don't we pay 100% of retail when buying someone's firearm? Guess you didn't do very well in school, did you?

Dealer cost on these AR type lowers is $70-$75. How much profit is the SJGE making at $250 per? That's a 333% markup! DD's Ranch on line sells them for $99 retail.

Dealer cost is sometimes much more than that. Lauer and High Standard are not that cheap, and next day shipping isn't cheap. A lot of the receivers we've bought were from Cold War Shooters. Look at their prices. Not really in that $70-$75 pipe dream range you're living in?

Also, we do transfers for DD's Ranch, Cold War Shooters, Spreadfire Arms... Feel free to buy from us, or just use us as a transfer dealer.

We also offer 3 month no-charge lay-a-way. Special orders on roughly 25% deposit. Lay-a-ways for special orders? Name one other bay area store that does this?


And for the record, yes, I'm back at the shop part time.

[gose]

My initial experience with SJGE wasn't the best, but the last two visits have been very positive. Too bad it's a 45 min drive (with decent traffic).