Pistol Added to CA DOJ List Today - How???

[foytfoyt]

I notice that a Ruger LC380 was added to the CA DOJ list yesterday.

How is that possible? I thougt all new semi-autos had to micro-stamp, meaning no new pistols in CA?

Sorry if this is a dumb question. It's hard to keep up with CA laws, at least for me.

[keenkeen]

Pretty sure that has been on roster for a while...

[Paul Pechner]

Penal Code 32030.

(a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:

(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.

(2) The material from which the grips are made.

(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the following:

(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.

(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer seeks to have listed under this section.

(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other respects identical to the listed firearm.

(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.

[foytfoyt]

Penal Code 32030...

Thanks, but no similar Ruger was on the list just prior.

Ruger was down to only the KP95PR and P95PR on the list (plus revolvers), and I had read that once a gun falls off, it must be resubmitted to the current rules. Hence, my confusion.

[ke6guj]

ok, did some researching and the LC380 03219 was on the roster until 3/2014 when it was delisted. that version has now been added back onto the roster. since the LC380 03219 is on roster, they are able to get the LC380CA 03253 added as a similar model due to PC32030. the question becomes, how was the LC380 able to be added back to the roster. did Ruger agree to go back to the original rostered design (if it was dropped for that reason) on the LC380 03219?

I had to look at a cached copy of the "removed from roster" document to see the original delisting. the current document has had the LC380 delisting removed from the document.

[foytfoyt]

ok, did some researching and the LC380 03219 was on the roster until 3/2014 when it was delisted. that version has now been added back onto the roster. since the LC380 03219 is on roster, they are able to get the LC380CA 03253 added as a similar model due to PC32030. the question becomes, how was the LC380 able to be added back to the roster. did Ruger agree to go back to the original rostered design (if it was dropped for that reason) on the LC380 03219?

I had to look at a cached copy of the "removed from roster" document to see the original delisting. the current document has had the LC380 delisting removed from the document.

Thanks for the research!

You have confirmed my vague recollection.

Apparently, the government does not have to follow the rules, and can also re-write history by changing their documents.

I am glad to see any gun added to the list, in any case.

[ke6guj]

this is the reason that RUger can have the LC380 03219 added back onto the roster.

[foytfoyt]

this is the reason that RUger can have the LC380 03219 added back onto the roster...

Thanks again!

I have learned something. I was under the mistaken impression that once a gun lapsed, it could not be grandfathered back in. Good to know.

[command_liner]

Penal Code 32030.

(a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:

(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.

(2) The material from which the grips are made.

(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the following:

(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.

(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer seeks to have listed under this section.

(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other respects identical to the listed firearm.

(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.

Not correct. In fact the failure/refusal of the DOJ to properly apply this section of law is the basis for my initial action with the CA AG, leading to the current Pena case. Pena/CFG picked up where I left off and has move the litigation forward better than I ever did/could.

For more than a decade now the state has refused to abide by its own laws.

[glockman19]

I wish S&W would relist the 686+ 3"

[SkyHawk]

Wonder if the LC9 will be coming back as well - it was also on the roster then removed voluntarily.

[mshill]

Wonder if the LC9 will be coming back as well - it was also on the roster then removed voluntarily.

I was thinking the same thing.

[rsrocket1]

Is this an action by Ruger or by the whacko's in Sacramento?
I thought Ruger vowed get out of the CA market?

[ASD1]

They added the LC380 CA Ruger part number 03253 and removed on the 17th LC 380 part number 03219

[ke6guj]

They added the LC380 CA Ruger part number 03253 and removed on the 17th LC 380 part number 03219

I assumed that that was the game plan, musical chairs to get the 3253 on the roster. get the 03219 relisted so they could get the 3253 on the roster. no need to keep the 3219 on the roster, especially if they are not keeping it in the rostered config.