Glock vs. CADOJ lawsuit???

[Darryl Licht]

I searched here and couldn't find it, but I thought I had read here that Glock was suing the CA DOJ over the Gen 4's and roster requirements.

Was this ever solved?

Will we ever be able to purchase a gen 4 legally if not a LEO?

I see them listed on the Glock Blue Label program via GSSF, but I think in that case it's only LEO's.

Anyone???

[readysetgo]

Don't think Glock has a lawsuit re: roster. They did file amicus brief in Pena v Cid.

SAF announcement: https://saf.org/?p=2527

CGN Pena thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=812117

Oh and here's the brief itself: http://www.archive.org/download/gov....91444.66.0.pdf

Similar briefs by Ruger: http://www.archive.org/download/gov....91444.82.3.pdf
and S&W: http://www.archive.org/download/gov....91444.82.4.pdf

[Darryl Licht]

OK, it was the amicus brief I had read at some point, thought it was a law suit back when I read it or about it.

Thanks for the great links!

PS - Did you try contacting the owner of Tech Sights yet?

[451040]

Will we ever be able to purchase a gen 4 legally if not a LEO?

It's possible now. SSE.

[Darryl Licht]

It's possible now. SSE.

I can find no proof of that, can you provide a link?

[CSACANNONEER]

I can find no proof of that, can you provide a link?

SSE is legal.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692

[Darryl Licht]

I didn't realize what he was originally referring to with the short answer followed by SSE, I thought it was his initials! LOL!

Single Shot Exemption is really just a workaround, once converted back to the actual gen 4 pistol you now have a gun that is extremely overpriced compared to other free states.

Also, has this buying as a SS, then converting back to original been tested in the courts?

[Calplinker]

Hasn't been tested in courts because no one has been arrested for what is clearly a perfectly legal thing to do. That's like asking if this riding a bicycle activity has been tested in courts and found to be legal.

CalDOJ inspects FFL's twice a year and agrees that SSE of off roster guns is perfectly legal if done properly. If they felt otherwise or thought they had any solid legal footing they would start suspending licenses of FFL's who were doing them and reject the DROS of SSE guns. Hasn't happened because it is clearly within the law.

I and countless thousands have lots of SSE pistols. I even have them on my concealed carry license and carry them every day. In fact, there's one on my hip right now.

[marlin357]

I and countless thousands have lots of SSE pistols. I even have them on my concealed carry license and carry them every day. In fact, there's one on my hip right now.

I thought I read that the the DOJ was revoking CCW's when they found a SSE on it. Or else they would at least remove that particular weapon from the license.

ETA: Found the thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=933277

[ElDub1950]

I thought I read that the the DOJ was revoking CCW's when they found a SSE on it. Or else they would at least remove that particular weapon from the license.

ETA: Found the thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=933277

That's not the DOJ, it's ONLY Ventura Co IA. No one has reported this anywhere else, that I can find.

[marlin357]

That's not the DOJ, it's ONLY Ventura Co IA. No one has reported this anywhere else, that I can find.

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

[Darryl Licht]

Hasn't been tested in courts because no one has been arrested for what is clearly a perfectly legal thing to do. That's like asking if this riding a bicycle activity has been tested in courts and found to be legal.

CalDOJ inspects FFL's twice a year and agrees that SSE of off roster guns is perfectly legal if done properly. If they felt otherwise or thought they had any solid legal footing they would start suspending licenses of FFL's who were doing them and reject the DROS of SSE guns. Hasn't happened because it is clearly within the law.

I and countless thousands have lots of SSE pistols. I even have them on my concealed carry license and carry them every day. In fact, there's one on my hip right now.

It's a loophole as I understand it. An off roster gun, converted to single shot by the LGS, then converted back to semi-auto by the owner once they take possession. Right?

As for the SSE/CCW, I too read the thread where a member was granted their CCW then revoked due to their CCW gun being a SSE. I'm curious as to how CGF proceeds on this one.

I'll just wait for the courts to decide the issue via Pena v. Lindley, a lawsuit challenging the handgun roster requirements including microstamping and magazine disconnects.

[LoneYote]

It's a loophole as I understand it. An off roster gun, converted to single shot by the LGS, then converted back to semi-auto by the owner once they take possession. Right?

Stupid word... DO NOT USE!
Everything not outlined as illegal is legal... Everything not outlined as illegal is a loophole....

[SkyHawk]

Single Shot Exemption is really just a workaround, once converted back to the actual gen 4 pistol you now have a gun that is extremely overpriced compared to other free states.

Also, has this buying as a SS, then converting back to original been tested in the courts?

Really? Plenty of CA FFLs offer Gen 4 Glocks with SSE at nearly the same price as major wholesalers - and it costs nothing to convert them back to the original and is done before you walk out the door with the pistol.

Glock 23 gen 4: $545 at GrabaGun (shipped) & $555 at Buds, compared to $599 at Sac Black Rifle, $599 at Placer Tactical - which by the way is the same or less than what Bass Pro sells them for at every store they operate in the "free states". Frequently a few LGS are offering them at $579 around here.

http://www.sacramentoblackrifle.com/collections/glock/products/glock-23-gen4-compact-pistol-pg2350203-40-s-w-4-02-in-fixed-sights-13-rd

http://www.placertactical.com/product-p/glpg2350201.htm

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/69587

http://grabagun.com/catalog/product/view/id/3576/s/glock-23-gen4-40sw-fs-10rd-3-mags/

If you think an extra $40 is "extremely overpriced" now (and not worth it to keep your LGS in business?) just wait until the goons at the Capitol stop SSE. People will be paying $800+ for them via PPT.

[LoneYote]

Really? Plenty of CA FFLs offer Gen 4 Glocks with SSE at nearly the same price as major wholesalers - and it costs nothing to convert them back to the original and is done before you walk out the door with the pistol.

From my understanding of it... this runs afoul...