Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[advocatusdiaboli]

So we're winning? Safe handgun roster could actually be taken out?

If you learn anything at all about gun laws in California, you should have learned two things: 1) it's never over until all anti-gun appeals and other delays are completely exhausted which can take over a decade and 2) anti-gun laws are made 10x faster than they can be nullified though the courts.

So no, we haven't won anything except one battle which can be made quickly moot by the next one. Lee won won many Civil war battles, he didn't win the war.

Fight on but keep your head, if guns rights ever come back to California, we'll by then all be dead.

[Librarian]

If you learn anything at all about gun laws in California, you should have learned two things: 1) it's never over until all anti-gun appeals and other delays are completely exhausted which can take over a decade and 2) anti-gun laws are made 10x faster than they can be nullified though the courts.

Right. Politicians need to be re-elected every 2 years or so - they need a 'checkmark' in the 'I did something about a problem' column. Nobody ever goes back to those politicians and penalizes them when that 'something' fails to do anything useful.

[Sputnik]

I'm not sure I've ever used the words "politician" and "useful" in the same sentence...

[bill_k_lopez]

so how long do you think the court is going to drag it along......

Two weeks.

[mossy]

So we're winning? Safe handgun roster could actually be taken out?

no. we are not winning in CA. the safe handgun roster will be around for a long long time. CA will NEVER be a free state. anti gun laws are passed at a lightning pace while we wait for "the right people" to take them down one by one 12 years at a time. as a CA citizen there are 3 ways to get you 2A rights back.

1-move

2-get a job that exempts you

3- ignore unconstitutional laws

if you want to legally import a new standard cap mag into CA or buy a un-neutered AR-15 you will be dead before the laws saying you cant are overturned.

[Bruce]

no. we are not winning in CA. the safe handgun roster will be around for a long long time. CA will NEVER be a free state. anti gun laws are passed at a lightning pace while we wait for "the right people" to take them down one by one 12 years at a time. as a CA citizen there are 3 ways to get you 2A rights back.

1-move

2-get a job that exempts you

3- ignore unconstitutional laws

if you want to legally import a new standard cap mag into CA or buy a un-neutered AR-15 you will be dead before the laws saying you cant are overturned.

Yup.

[BCG7]

Wish I had more money to have bought more SSE pistols

[advocatusdiaboli]

no. we are not winning in CA. the safe handgun roster will be around for a long long time. CA will NEVER be a free state. anti gun laws are passed at a lightning pace while we wait for "the right people" to take them down one by one 12 years at a time. as a CA citizen there are 3 ways to get you 2A rights back.

1-move

2-get a job that exempts you

3- ignore unconstitutional laws

if you want to legally import a new standard cap mag into CA or buy a un-neutered AR-15 you will be dead before the laws saying you cant are overturned.

Sigh. So true. And California still has a higher per capita crime rate than Texas. All and anti-gun laws have accomplished nothing but offers feel-good political gains for pandering Democrats voted for by knee-jerk gun-fearing Californians.

[kemasa]

There is no penalty for the politicians or the courts for delaying the throwing out of laws which violate the Rights of people, so they can delay as long as they can and pass laws which are obviously a violation.

[Milkman661]

If the handgun roster is meant to only allow "safe" guns to be purchased in California and pass testing such as a drop test. How is it that the fmk 9 gen 2 is still allowed to be purchased in cali. In the video below it compares the fmk against a glock and xd and the only one that sets off the primer is the fmk.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrY58Fkl7Bc

[Librarian]

If the handgun roster is meant to only allow "safe" guns to be purchased in California and pass testing such as a drop test. How is it that the fmk 9 gen 2 is still allowed to be purchased in cali. In the video below it compares the fmk against a glock and xd and the only one that sets off the primer is the fmk.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrY58Fkl7Bc

As many seem to begin, it appears you are making the error of assuming the Roster, and any other CA gun law, is actually about guns.

They are not.

They are vehicles to demonstrate that a legislator votes for 'something that addresses a problem' and therefore should be re-elected. ('There is a problem. We must do something. This bill is something, therefore voting in favor is doing something about the problem.')

That effect is amplified by party discipline that means 'vote as we tell you, or the bills you introduce will never get out of committee' - a legislator who gets no bills passed does not get re-elected.

[Bruce]

If the handgun roster is meant to only allow "safe" guns to be purchased in California and pass testing such as a drop test. How is it that the fmk 9 gen 2 is still allowed to be purchased in cali. In the video below it compares the fmk against a glock and xd and the only one that sets off the primer is the fmk.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrY58Fkl7Bc

The Safe Handgun Roster was meant to run the Davis, Lorcin and Raven pistols out of the state and take a lot of others along with them, ie; 2" revolvers(S&W,COLT,Rossi<Taurus,Ruger), semi autos without manual safeties (Glock). These latter provisions were removed at the last minute in order to get the bill passed.

[CSTactical]

As many seem to begin, it appears you are making the error of assuming the Roster, and any other CA gun law, is actually about guns.

They are not.

They are vehicles to demonstrate that a legislator votes for 'something that addresses a problem' and therefore should be re-elected. ('There is a problem. We must do something. This bill is something, therefore voting in favor is doing something about the problem.')

That effect is amplified by party discipline that means 'vote as we tell you, or the bills you introduce will never get out of committee' - a legislator who gets no bills passed does not get re-elected.

Exactly...

[theoldroaddog]

I think we are in need of a different tactic. Go after the State for interstate commerce and NAFTA violations instead of 2A violations. May have an easier time with the courts.


Jay
theoldroaddog

[Kid Stanislaus]

Yes. As soon as the pigs fly...

Two weeks?