Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[y0manda1]

Ahhh, you need to look at the doublespeak as they don't say unsafe, but instead the certified list says "not unsafe". Anything else is just unknown and hasn't been checked yet.



As you say, it has nothing to do with safety. Once tested, it should always remain on the list, but it doesn't. The police should be required more than anyone else to have fired which are tested, but if they didn't exempt them, then it is likely that the law wouldn't have passed. It is all a scam to ban firearms.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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[kemasa]

If the off roaster firearm is "unsafe" then why are police, feds, military, and security exempt? Selecting off roaster firearms has nothing to do with safety.

Ahhh, you need to look at the doublespeak as they don't say unsafe, but instead the certified list says "not unsafe". Anything else is just unknown and hasn't been checked yet.

As you say, it has nothing to do with safety. Once tested, it should always remain on the list, but it doesn't. The police should be required more than anyone else to have fired which are tested, but if they didn't exempt them, then it is likely that the law wouldn't have passed. It is all a scam to ban firearms.

[El.Terrible_SoCal]

If the off roaster firearm is "unsafe" then why are police, feds, military, and security exempt? Selecting off roaster firearms has nothing to do with safety.

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[kevin2]

Some of us know Fabio, partly because we hang out in the same circles, partly because we live near Fabio. You are completely wrong. Matter-of-fact, your two sentences above demonstrate that you are also wrong about some other aspects of Fabio's personal information.

But don't worry, you are in excellent company by being wrong. At some point, hoffmang tried to first attract Fabio to work for the CalGuns foundation. When Fabio demurred, he tried to get Fabio in trouble with their boss: hoffmang was convinced that Fabio was one of the people working for Chuck Michel, and ratted him out with the boss. Fabio does not work for Chuck Michel, however, and as usual hoffmang was not only completely wrong, but also ended up ticking off Chuck and Fabio even more. If you look for that exchange in the archives of this forum, you may find out more information about all the people that Fabio is not.

Fabio is also not an Italian actor who runs around with a shaved chest.

Let me give you an important hint: I've been in a room with Governor Jerry Brown, in a room with Attorney General Kamala Harris, and in a room with Fabio. Each time I was with Brown or Harris or both, Fabio was not in the room. Does that help narrow it down? Let me give you another hint: Brown does not watch TV, he did not even know "Jeopardy", nor had he ever heard of Vanna White. He does not go jogging for exercise. Harris on the other hand is very culturally astute, and keeps herself in shape.

Is this an LSAT question?

[y0manda1]

The key is ...what is an unsafe gun. If other states have the same fire arms without any safety issues, it reasonable that California law regarding safe roster list is unjustified.

Either California is right and 49 other states are wrong....or opposite is true.

You can also add in off rostered unsafe guns used by LE and military.

It's so obvious the State will lose this. They don't have a prayer.

If the off roaster firearm is "unsafe" then why are police, feds, military, and security exempt? Selecting off roaster firearms has nothing to do with safety.

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[ZNiner]

The key is ...what is an unsafe gun. If other states have the same fire arms without any safety issues, it reasonable that California law regarding safe roster list is unjustified.
Either California is right and 49 other states are wrong....or opposite is true.
You can also add in off rostered unsafe guns used by LE and military.
It's so obvious the State will lose this. They don't have a prayer.

We are all in agreement that the roster is unconstitutional and should get tossed but unless the SCOTUS grants cert then we will either have to wait until the next conference or bring another case against it in federal court and wait for years while it works it's way through the system.

I read the entirety of Judge Benitez's ruling in Duncan v. Becerra and I see no reason why that exact same in common use logic couldn't be used in regards to the roster, AWB and the latest ammo laws.

[mshill]

The key is ...what is an unsafe gun. If other states have the same fire arms without any safety issues, it reasonable that California law regarding safe roster list is unjustified.
Either California is right and 49 other states are wrong....or opposite is true.
You can also add in off rostered unsafe guns used by LE and military.
It's so obvious the State will lose this. They don't have a prayer.

Not so obvious since they have already won, twice.

[Nvberinger]

We should know by mid April if the SCOTUS will grant cert on the case. Until then we wait and speculate.

Would be nice to walk into my LGS and buy the latest and greatest handgun out there.

The key is ...what is an unsafe gun. If other states have the same fire arms without any safety issues, it reasonable that California law regarding safe roster list is unjustified.
Either California is right and 49 other states are wrong....or opposite is true.
You can also add in off rostered unsafe guns used by LE and military.
It's so obvious the State will lose this. They don't have a prayer.

[MountainLion]

I've got my money on him being a California DOJ lawyer that is in front of the ninth a lot. One of these days we are going to figure out who he is.

Some of us know Fabio, partly because we hang out in the same circles, partly because we live near Fabio. You are completely wrong. Matter-of-fact, your two sentences above demonstrate that you are also wrong about some other aspects of Fabio's personal information.

But don't worry, you are in excellent company by being wrong. At some point, hoffmang tried to first attract Fabio to work for the CalGuns foundation. When Fabio demurred, he tried to get Fabio in trouble with their boss: hoffmang was convinced that Fabio was one of the people working for Chuck Michel, and ratted him out with the boss. Fabio does not work for Chuck Michel, however, and as usual hoffmang was not only completely wrong, but also ended up ticking off Chuck and Fabio even more. If you look for that exchange in the archives of this forum, you may find out more information about all the people that Fabio is not.

Fabio is also not an Italian actor who runs around with a shaved chest.

Let me give you an important hint: I've been in a room with Governor Jerry Brown, in a room with Attorney General Kamala Harris, and in a room with Fabio. Each time I was with Brown or Harris or both, Fabio was not in the room. Does that help narrow it down? Let me give you another hint: Brown does not watch TV, he did not even know "Jeopardy", nor had he ever heard of Vanna White. He does not go jogging for exercise. Harris on the other hand is very culturally astute, and keeps herself in shape.

[DVSmith]

I've got my money on him being a California DOJ lawyer that is in front of the ninth a lot. One of these days we are going to figure out who he is.

You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim...

Or in this case Fabio!

[wolfwood]

Fabio is The Man when it comes to knowing the 9th, but he stays in his lane, and cert petitions and SCOTUS are not the 9th

I've got my money on him being a California DOJ lawyer that is in front of the ninth a lot. One of these days we are going to figure out who he is.

[speedrrracer]

Fabio is The Man when it comes to knowing the 9th, but he stays in his lane, and cert petitions and SCOTUS are not the 9th

[BAJ475]

I too would like his views on this case.

[2Aallday]

[Librarian]

Why mid-April?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...postcount=2831 - Distributed for the decide-whether-to-grant conference of April 12.

Might get re-distributed a few times, but if they consider and decide on normal schedule, should announce the decision the following week.