Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[Frito Bandido]

The 2A is the red-headed unwanted stepchild of civil rights. Demonstrated by the lack of any action by SCOTUS, and very little action by the lower courts. Both parties at large don't care for it, and many don't even want it to exist.



It's funny, if everyone who said voting 3rd party is "throwing your vote away" actually did it, a 3rd party would win or at least gain significant enough ground to become viable. Remember, Lincoln was 3rd party.

If everyone who voted Republican in deep blue states (like California) in 2016 voted 3rd Party (Libertarian) instead of Republican in the General Election, that would get the Libertarian Party around 15% of the popular vote, which is more than enough to secure federal funding for the party.

Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway), but it would provide much-needed funding to that 3rd Party such that it would elevate their profile significantly - then maybe that would push the Republican Party towards a more civil Libertarian mindset to try and court those votes back, or maybe even to pick a Libertarian to be the running mate.

Then your vote wouldn't be wasted in a state that's gonna go blue anyway.

[cre8nhavoc]

So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.

[SmallShark]

it is clear that all the ruling classes are on the same side. the SCOTUS did not want to upset their teammates in California and other places.

[DB>]

Is it not just another filing, that worst case they refuse to hear?

Given the current situation where because of the roster, getting any gun is virtually impossible in CA, that is certainly valid "new evidence" of the sort that by definition MUST be considered.

Who is the counsel of record on the case, and can they be contacted and asked to take one last desperate flyer, while holding some MAJOR press conferences to sway the public opinion or at least awareness?

The legal theory is there, the additional effort expended is relatively minimal, and the stakes are VERY high right now. Time to call the state's "bluff" that the roster does not infringe on the ability of a law abiding citizen to exercise their right to self defense.

If one does not take advantage of a crisis, why the heck NOT?!? Not letting a crisis go to waste is the mantra of the enemy, time to use it for OUR advantage!!!!

[Foothills]

And then Atlanta...

It would certainly be worth the effort to file given the state of things - the 2A rights of Californians have certainly been infringed under the CURRENT state of things with CV-19 and riots and looting. None of that was present when this case was filed, or in most of the intervening 11 years.


I know it's rare for rehearings to be granted, but in this case the volatile and rapidly changing landscape would be more than a reasonable reason to at least take the flyer, nothing ventured, nothing gained!!!

[RobG]

Not shocked. I suppose gun owners could riot, burn buildings and cop cars, loot, beat people, etc. Seems to working for some...

[godofgamblers]

It's funny, if everyone who said voting 3rd party is "throwing your vote away" actually did it, a 3rd party would win or at least gain significant enough ground to become viable. Remember, Lincoln was 3rd party.

Please point me to a third party today that has the same level of support the Republicans had in 1860, or heck, even 1856. Not that it can't happen eventually, but it's not present right now. When there's a viable option then we can talk about it.

[varanidguy]

The 2A is federal and therefore only federal law should apply so, why do the states and local government have any say in this?

The 2A is the red-headed unwanted stepchild of civil rights. Demonstrated by the lack of any action by SCOTUS, and very little action by the lower courts. Both parties at large don't care for it, and many don't even want it to exist.

True, R's have been absolutely worthless on the 2A. However, that seems to ignore that the other alternative isn't working to absolutely trying to dismantle 2A (and other amendments). I consider a vote for the Republicans as more or less the status quo -- so basically nothing much happens. I consider a vote for the Dems (or throwing away your vote with 3rd party) as actively taking a chainsaw to the 2A (and the 1A and 4A and the 5A). I rather have nothing gained nothing ventured instead of shredding the constitution.

It's funny, if everyone who said voting 3rd party is "throwing your vote away" actually did it, a 3rd party would win or at least gain significant enough ground to become viable. Remember, Lincoln was 3rd party.

[godofgamblers]

Trump has enacted more gun control than Obama ever did (not an Obama supporter, but this take is cold).

Trump and the Republicans had two years to make good on their promises to strengthen and expand 2A rights at the federal level and they didn't do anything.

Local and state governments operate differently, at the federal level, Republicans are absolutely worthless on the 2A.

True, R's have been absolutely worthless on the 2A. However, that seems to ignore that the other alternative isn't working to absolutely trying to dismantle 2A (and other amendments). I consider a vote for the Republicans as more or less the status quo -- so basically nothing much happens. I consider a vote for the Dems (or throwing away your vote with 3rd party) as actively taking a chainsaw to the 2A (and the 1A and 4A and the 5A). I rather have nothing gained nothing ventured instead of shredding the constitution.

[gumby]

The 2A is federal and therefore only federal law should apply so, why do the states and local government have any say in this?

[varanidguy]

That type of thinking and rhetoric is EXACTLY how the dems lost in 2016. They got complacent/disillusioned, and stayed home. Gun rights across the nation, with the exception of 8 blue socialist states have expanded greatly since 1994. Now is not the time to hang our heads and cry about it. If the R's DON'T win, you can forget about having to buy off roster guns and make rifles featureless, because the Dems will absolutely be coming for them. Biden and O'Dummy made that clear.

Trump has enacted more gun control than Obama ever did (not an Obama supporter, but this take is cold).

Trump and the Republicans had two years to make good on their promises to strengthen and expand 2A rights at the federal level and they didn't do anything.

Local and state governments operate differently, at the federal level, Republicans are absolutely worthless on the 2A.

[sulla123]

Trump and the Republicans are limp noodles on the 2A. They don't care about it, they don't care about our 2A rights, it's simply a campaign slogan for them to gain votes. None of their actions ever matches with their campaign rhetoric.

That type of thinking and rhetoric is EXACTLY how the dems lost in 2016. They got complacent/disillusioned, and stayed home. Gun rights across the nation, with the exception of 8 blue socialist states have expanded greatly since 1994. Now is not the time to hang our heads and cry about it. If the R's DON'T win, you can forget about having to buy off roster guns and make rifles featureless, because the Dems will absolutely be coming for them. Biden and O'Dummy made that clear.

[kuug]

Trump and the Republicans are limp noodles on the 2A. They don't care about it, they don't care about our 2A rights, it's simply a campaign slogan for them to gain votes. None of their actions ever matches with their campaign rhetoric.

Yes they are but their choice to default to federalist society judges is our last best hope for long term change, turning the supreme court conservative again is the top reason to vote R in November same as it was in 2016

if we lose Biden could replace up to 3 justices with Ginsburg, Breyer, and Thomas starting to show their age

[kuug]

Lot of concerns.

Welcome to 2010, we're right back where we started from after McDonald

[varanidguy]

Those cases are dead, Rodriguez is next. Our only concern at this point is hoping Trump wins in November, the Republicans keep the Senate, and any one of Roberts, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, or Kagan passes on so we can replace them for someone who actually cares about the constitution.

Trump and the Republicans are limp noodles on the 2A. They don't care about it, they don't care about our 2A rights, it's simply a campaign slogan for them to gain votes. None of their actions ever matches with their campaign rhetoric.