Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[RobG]

Not shocked. I suppose gun owners could riot, burn buildings and cop cars, loot, beat people, etc. Seems to working for some...

[Foothills]

And then Atlanta...

It would certainly be worth the effort to file given the state of things - the 2A rights of Californians have certainly been infringed under the CURRENT state of things with CV-19 and riots and looting. None of that was present when this case was filed, or in most of the intervening 11 years.


I know it's rare for rehearings to be granted, but in this case the volatile and rapidly changing landscape would be more than a reasonable reason to at least take the flyer, nothing ventured, nothing gained!!!

[DB>]

Is it not just another filing, that worst case they refuse to hear?

Given the current situation where because of the roster, getting any gun is virtually impossible in CA, that is certainly valid "new evidence" of the sort that by definition MUST be considered.

Who is the counsel of record on the case, and can they be contacted and asked to take one last desperate flyer, while holding some MAJOR press conferences to sway the public opinion or at least awareness?

The legal theory is there, the additional effort expended is relatively minimal, and the stakes are VERY high right now. Time to call the state's "bluff" that the roster does not infringe on the ability of a law abiding citizen to exercise their right to self defense.

If one does not take advantage of a crisis, why the heck NOT?!? Not letting a crisis go to waste is the mantra of the enemy, time to use it for OUR advantage!!!!

[SmallShark]

it is clear that all the ruling classes are on the same side. the SCOTUS did not want to upset their teammates in California and other places.

[cre8nhavoc]

So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.

[Frito Bandido]

The 2A is the red-headed unwanted stepchild of civil rights. Demonstrated by the lack of any action by SCOTUS, and very little action by the lower courts. Both parties at large don't care for it, and many don't even want it to exist.



It's funny, if everyone who said voting 3rd party is "throwing your vote away" actually did it, a 3rd party would win or at least gain significant enough ground to become viable. Remember, Lincoln was 3rd party.

If everyone who voted Republican in deep blue states (like California) in 2016 voted 3rd Party (Libertarian) instead of Republican in the General Election, that would get the Libertarian Party around 15% of the popular vote, which is more than enough to secure federal funding for the party.

Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway), but it would provide much-needed funding to that 3rd Party such that it would elevate their profile significantly - then maybe that would push the Republican Party towards a more civil Libertarian mindset to try and court those votes back, or maybe even to pick a Libertarian to be the running mate.

Then your vote wouldn't be wasted in a state that's gonna go blue anyway.

[kuug]

So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.

Yes we can file a new lawsuit at any time. It would still require our side to spend ungodly amounts of money and at least seven years to reach the supreme court again.

[dark_hatchling]

So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.

Sure. Let's see what happens in 2030.


CA in 2030: what are guns?

[varanidguy]

If everyone who voted Republican in deep blue states (like California) in 2016 voted 3rd Party (Libertarian) instead of Republican in the General Election, that would get the Libertarian Party around 15% of the popular vote, which is more than enough to secure federal funding for the party.

Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway), but it would provide much-needed funding to that 3rd Party such that it would elevate their profile significantly - then maybe that would push the Republican Party towards a more civil Libertarian mindset to try and court those votes back, or maybe even to pick a Libertarian to be the running mate.

Then your vote wouldn't be wasted in a state that's gonna go blue anyway.

Exactly this. IMO, throwing your vote away is voting for the status quo, red vs blue, no other choice. The amount of ground being lost, the broken promises by the R's...this should be a big enough signal but apparently it isn't. Two years the R's had to solidify and expand the 2A, like they promised during campaigns, and they didn't do a single thing, and Trump enacts gun control with executive fiat.

Nobody can convince me to go with the R's now. They're in the same boat with the D's.

[abinsinia]

Exactly this. IMO, throwing your vote away is voting for the status quo, red vs blue, no other choice. The amount of ground being lost, the broken promises by the R's...this should be a big enough signal but apparently it isn't. Two years the R's had to solidify and expand the 2A, like they promised during campaigns, and they didn't do a single thing, and Trump enacts gun control with executive fiat.

Nobody can convince me to go with the R's now. They're in the same boat with the D's.

The Republican party is a 3rd party in California. The two biggest parties in California are Democrats and NPP ..

If you want to make a 3rd party bigger just vote Republican.

[varanidguy]

The Republican party is a 3rd party in California. The two biggest parties in California are Democrats and NPP ..

If you want to make a 3rd party bigger just vote Republican.

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

[Offwidth]

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Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway),

MUCH better would be to do this to Green Party, not Libertarians. Greens would siphon votes away from democrats.

[320iN54]

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

See how well your so-called "democrats" are doing to Seattle right now. Keep voting for dems and CHAZ wont just be in a single state. Itll happen to the whole goddamn country.

[Harry Ono]

Not shocked. I suppose gun owners could riot, burn buildings and cop cars, loot, beat people, etc. Seems to working for some...

Only works for over emotional teen girls. Old farts are excluded,

[johncage]

No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.

republicans are merely feeble when it comes to 2a, but democrats are actively against 2a, so i'm not sure how that works out, unless you mean not voting for either