Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[jcwatchdog]

That would be nice.... I think I am suffering from "battered wife syndrome", I'm just expecting the worst and feel like we are going to get backhanded yet again.

[dwinters14]

Battered California Gunowner Syndrome is real. We've been kicked around for 20+ years so now we expect it even when we may be about to get a big win. I want to believe it'll happen. I want to win for once. I'll hope against all odds.

Definitely, and although it can be frustrating to hear sometimes I get it. Look at what happened with the mags... and SCOTUS granted cert on a 2A case, while having a conservative majority.

I know the past hurts, but we have to look at things right now. The 9th's liberal bias is slowly being diminished as well. At this point it's a matter of how big and far reaching of a victory we get.

If Trump gets re-elected I think we're going to be good. Not to mention I think most people are fed up with the gun control bs. Most Americans know it doesn't work and as far as I see it, unless running in navy blue districts, gun control is a losing battle nationally.

[nyla]

Definitely, and although it can be frustrating to hear sometimes I get it. Look at what happened with the mags... and SCOTUS granted cert on a 2A case, while having a conservative majority.

I know the past hurts, but we have to look at things right now. The 9th's liberal bias is slowly being diminished as well. At this point it's a matter of how big and far reaching of a victory we get.

If Trump gets re-elected I think we're going to be good. Not to mention I think most people are fed up with the gun control bs. Most Americans know it doesn't work and as far as I see it, unless running in navy blue districts, gun control is a losing battle nationally.

Unfortunately those navy blue districts seem to be growing in size. Voter fraud anyone?

But I agree, we have a victory on the horizons. I just hope it is sooner rather than later. What sucks is the state is able to make these laws and even if it gets overturned we are the people who end up following them for the years until that happens.

[tenemae]

Battered California Gunowner Syndrome is real. We've been kicked around for 20+ years so now we expect it even when we may be about to get a big win.

Gun owners in CA be like:

[ronlglock]

What sucks is the state is able to make these laws and even if it gets overturned we are the people who end up following them for the years until that happens.

While gangbangers and other criminals have off-roster firearms and ARs with standard capacity mags


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[sd408]

Didnt read thru all of this but if the roster were to be removed, would we be able to purchase AR lowers DROSed as pistol lowers or is that a completely different law?

[press1280]

It may be on hold. See this from SCOTUSblog. Probably because of the NYC case.

This is my take as well. We could very well be looking at a scenario where numerous 2A cases will be in the black hole just waiting for NYSRPA to be handed down. Presuming a win in that case, all black hole cases get sent back to the lower courts for resolution.
They're already "holding" Pena and Mance at the moment.

[FlyingShooter]

Didnt read thru all of this but if the roster were to be removed, would we be able to purchase AR lowers DROSed as pistol lowers or is that a completely different law?

I believe so, it would just have to be mag locked when built and 10rnd mags.

[dwinters14]

I believe so, it would just have to be mag locked when built and 10rnd mags.

I wonder if the roster gets tossed, what the determining factor would be. If it's based around the restriction of the firearms (Micro stamping, LCI, and all the other little tidbits the roster includes) I think the AW on pistols may go as well.

It just wouldn't make sense for them to cherry pick certain restrictions to get rid off and not others. I think if the roster gets vacated it will come along with an opinion much like Benitez's about magazines. Which I think would open the door to upending almost all of these idiotic restrictions on our firearms in CA.

[jcwatchdog]

I wonder if the roster gets tossed, what the determining factor would be. If it's based around the restriction of the firearms (Micro stamping, LCI, and all the other little tidbits the roster includes) I think the AW on pistols may go as well.

It just wouldn't make sense for them to cherry pick certain restrictions to get rid off and not others. I think if the roster gets vacated it will come along with an opinion much like Benitez's about magazines. Which I think would open the door to upending almost all of these idiotic restrictions on our firearms in CA.

We would be able to buy stripped lowers and dros them as pistols. But the AW feature bans would still be valid, until those are stricken down also.

[sd408]

We would be able to buy stripped lowers and dros them as pistols. But the AW feature bans would still be valid, until those are stricken down also.

[jcwatchdog]

[Librarian]

Let us not drift into speculations regarding other parts of CA law - this thread is Roster-specific, at least until there might be a SCOTUS opinion covering more ground.

(I realize that waiting for something to happen is quite difficult. Please work on it - builds character.)

[aBrowningfan]

I don't want to be the skunk at the garden party, and I hope I am wrong, but.... The reason for the delay in entry of a result of the status conference could be a decision to deny that is having a dissent being written. This dissent might have multiple authors, so it takes longer to get to a final product.

[taperxz]

I don't want to be the skunk at the garden party, and I hope I am wrong, but.... The reason for the delay in entry of a result of the status conference could be a decision to deny that is having a dissent being written. This dissent might have multiple authors, so it takes longer to get to a final product.

Possible but not likely considering the new make up of the SCOTUS. There are enough judges that are Pro 2A that want to fix things.

Denying a right is denying a right and they may only need one case to solve the problems of states rights and the 2A