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Miller v. Bonta 9th Ckt "assault weapons": Held for Duncan result 1-26-24

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  • abinsinia
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 4088

    I think if Benitez were to re-hear the case he would not give any stay, because it's very clear California has no hope of winning.

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    • Roswell Saucer
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2022
      • 77



      That is, uh, an argument I guess. Completely wrong as written below by Justice Thomas himself, of course, but an argument nonetheless.



      None of this matters, mind you, considering we already know that the 9th will drag this out as long as possible and send it back down for a new trial. I'm fine with this, though, because Benitez will go balls deep on the state this time around.

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      • abinsinia
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2015
        • 4088

        Indeed, the district court’s “Heller test” analysis spanned just four pages of the
        court’s 56-page order. See id. at 1020–23.

        Gee, I can't image why the Heller test only spanned 4 pages. Maybe it's like an easy test or something, and there's no history.

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        • abinsinia
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2015
          • 4088

          Though Bruen has clarified that 20th century historical evidence may not be considered if that evidence contradicts earlier evidence from around the time of ratification, id. at 2153 Case: 21-55608, 07/28/2022, ID: 12504686, DktEntry: 26, Page 12 of 189 n.28, the AWCA and earlier firing-capacity laws are consistent with, inter alia, a tradition of restricting dangerous and unusual weapons.
          They admit that the date range does not include the 20th century. It's only prior to that per their own analysis.

          Reading their brief it feels like their falling down a mountain trying to grab at anything to stop them from falling to their deaths.
          Last edited by abinsinia; 07-28-2022, 7:23 PM.

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          • FreshTapCoke
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 879

            Originally posted by abinsinia

            Reading their brief it feels like their falling down a mountain trying to grab at anything to stop them from falling to their deaths.
            Originally posted by Noble Cause
            Can you imagine Patrick Henry, the "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" guy, in today's world, whining about "not joining the NRA because of junk mail" ?!

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            • Roswell Saucer
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2022
              • 77

              Originally posted by abinsinia
              I think if Benitez were to re-hear the case he would not give any stay, because it's very clear California has no hope of winning.
              This time around plaintiffs should ask for immediate injunctive relief.

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              • command_liner
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1175

                Hopefully this ruling comes soon enough for it to be considered in the Oregon initiative petition coming to a vote this fall. Now that the Oregon Sec. of State has certified the petition, it is going to the voters.

                The proposed law is invalidated by the 2nd, Bruen, Caetano, and Heller, but it is not clear how to put a stop to it before voting.

                [Omitting absurd text from Oregon Petition]
                [Offensive stuff below is from parallel construction to proposed Oregon law]
                What if the initiative petition proposed a law that invalidated the 13th, and defined things like "assault negro" and declared all blacks as inherently violent and needing to be banned? Would the organs of government permit it to be put to a vote?
                What about the 19th? Can the Commerce Clause be used to make it illegal for voting women to buy shoes from another state?

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                • command_liner
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 1175

                  Hopefully this ruling comes soon enough for it to be considered in the Oregon initiative petition coming to a vote this fall. Now that the Oregon Sec. of State has certified the petition, it is going to the voters.

                  The proposed law is invalidated by the 2nd, Bruen, Caetano, and Heller, but it is not clear how to put a stop to it before voting.

                  [Omitting absurd text from Oregon Petition]
                  [Offensive stuff below is from parallel construction to proposed Oregon law]
                  What if the initiative petition proposed a law that invalidated the 13th, and defined things like "assault negro" and declared all blacks as inherently violent and needing to be banned? Would the organs of government permit it to be put to a vote?
                  What about the 19th? Can the Commerce Clause be used to make it illegal for voting women to buy shoes from another state?

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                  • Roswell Saucer
                    Junior Member
                    • Jun 2022
                    • 77

                    There is literally no excuse for not having already made a decision, 9th Circuit. Stop stalling.

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                    • Bhobbs
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 11847

                      They know they can’t stop it, they can only delay the inevitable.

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                      • jcwatchdog
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 2571

                        Originally posted by Roswell Saucer
                        There is literally no excuse for not having already made a decision, 9th Circuit. Stop stalling.

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                        • Bolt_Action
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 716

                          They can hold it up for over ten years, then bring it back to SCOTUS with a new judge panel.

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                          • jcwatchdog
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 2571

                            Originally posted by Bolt_Action
                            They can hold it up for over ten years, then bring it back to SCOTUS with a new judge panel.

                            No, this particular request for the stay being lifted is not on an unlimited timer. It was 14 days I believe for a decision by the 9th regarding if they will remove the stay.

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                            • Bolt_Action
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 716

                              Originally posted by jcwatchdog
                              No, this particular request for the stay being lifted is not on an unlimited timer. It was 14 days I believe for a decision by the 9th regarding if they will remove the stay.

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