Miller v. Bonta 9th Ckt "assault weapons": Held for Duncan result 1-26-24

[GregW948]

What kind lf mindset is that? That Cubans have it all given to them because they live under commies? Political refugees?

Is this mindset different because they like black beans and mexicans like pinto beans?

Is your mindset that of a common hokie or redneck?

I love my firearms and the constitution that protects my capacity to own such machinery. But having to share the perception that im linked to intolerant xenophobes can feel just icky.

Wow you sound insecure... I just read up on the guy and made a point.. Cuban Americans tend to weigh to the right... while Mexican Americans tend to weigh left.. and just look at the stats of the voting... and also look at the stats of which way Mexican American politicians lean (left) ---> more so in CA since this is a Democratic Socialist state where-in 'most', not all, but most Mexican Americans vote commie and are catered to... chill out, its just statistics...

[whobob]

I'll check back July 4th (30 days appeal). This is just another tease.

[559nFree]

The # is definitely much higher than 9. The duty is not only laid at the feet of SCOTUS. IJS

[Librarian]

Thanks for the reply. But, in the title to my post I said that it was a trick question. I am in Idaho and removed them months ago. But for those still in CA, it may be even longer because who knows when SCOTUS may take the next gun case.

Being in a CA forum, that's a question CA residents are likely to have; need to answer for that audience.

[CABilly]

*yawn*

Wake me up when this ruling has any real-world effect on rights in this state. Another freedom week would have been nice. 30 days is more than enough to file an appeal and drag it on long enough for the SC to get stacked to ensure a favorable ruling for the state.

[happyvirus]

So what can I buy before I become criminal in CA again?

[gobler]

Looks like Benitez is playing a serious game of 4D chess.. really curious to know who the 3 judges are.. [emoji848]

https://youtu.be/OmsqkdzOjk4

[1919_4_ME]

[wireless]

Why does everyone keep assuming that this is going en banc? You guys know that only happens if we win the appeal to the 9th, right? I thought the 9th circuit was still slightly liberal, so it seems likely (and I hope we do) lose on appeal. Skip the middle man and save 12-18 months.

Because every single pro-2A win in the 9th has been overturned by en banc panels for the past 11 years.

[Bolt_Action]

Because every single pro-2A win in the 9th has been overturned by en banc panels for the past 11 years.

Which is why we want to lose.

[kuug]

Why does everyone keep assuming that this is going en banc? You guys know that only happens if we win the appeal to the 9th, right? I thought the 9th circuit was still slightly liberal, so it seems likely (and I hope we do) lose on appeal. Skip the middle man and save 12-18 months.

Oh you know, something about recent history. No big deal, just the recent evidence.

[blackrat]

Looks like Benitez is playing a serious game of 4D chess.. really curious to know who the 3 judges are.. [emoji848]

https://youtu.be/OmsqkdzOjk4

Good watch and answers a lot of questions. Glad he's on our side

[Bolt_Action]

Oh you know, something about recent history. No big deal, just the recent evidence.

[MountainLion]

CA DoJ's stated opinion on the matter is that there is no difference between building a semi-auto center-fire rifle from scratch with evil features and a standard mag release and replacing the bullet button on your recently registered assault weapon with a standard mag release.

Their argument is that either way you have created a new, unregistered, assault weapon.

It's much more complicated than that. You have over-simplified the argument to the point where it becomes silly. The argument goes more along those lines: If this AR does not have a bullet button, you could not have registered it. If you could not have registered it at that time but did, then the registration would not valid. Therefore, the valid registration only applies to the gun in a configuration in which is was registrable.

While their opinion has not been tested ...

It probably has not been tested because the people who understand the law know that challenging this in court would be dumb. I can't read the mind of organizations such as the CRPA, FPC, SAF, CGF or such, but I assume that they act rationally, and know a guaranteed losing case when they see it.

Note that changing literally every other part other than the serialized part (including the lower, if not serialized) is not making a different firearm.

Interesting, correct, but not relevant. It's not about changing the identity of the gun. It's about it being in a configuration in which it can be registered.

The DoJ really is full of lying scumbags.

Whether that is true or not I can't tell. But they seem to have smart lawyers.

Even more hilariously, FGG felt this was a logical position. He's so prideful of his massive intellect too.

And it seems that he was proved right by events.

Now, if someone goes to court and proves FGG and the DoJ wrong, we can discuss again. In the meantime, it seems that FGG was smarter than all the people who said that we can remove the BB once we register.

[ar15barrels]

Sidney Thomas keeps doing random draws of judges until he gets the random draw he is looking for...