Teter et al v. Connors et al Hawaii Butterfly knife federal lawsuit filed

[wolfwood]

https://www.scribd.com/document/405851684/Butterfly-Knife-Filed-Complaint-With-Burton-Dec-merged-With-All-Exhibits

[speedrrracer]

I wonder if including this sort of discussion is wise:

The old argument is that a switch blade or balisong is too dangerous to be entrusted to the public because a citizen can pull and quickly open the blade with one hand.
(snip)
Butterfly knife 1.3, 1.4. 1.2, 1.5 Average = 1.35 seconds

(emphasis mine)

Talking about speed, lethality, statistics -- all this seems like giving up territory and giving ammunition to the other side. So if balisongs were ultra-fast instead of slow on the draw should they continue to be banned? If their handles did not enclose the blade, should they continue to be banned? If they accounted for a higher percentage of murders in HI than pistols, should they continue to be banned?

Arms are supposed to be dangerous, lethal, etc. It's the whole point, and the reason why protecting the right to keep and bear them is so important. Opening the door to arbitrary measures as a reason why weapon X is OK will eventually backfire against us, because there is no limit to which arbitrary measures of safety / speed / lethality can be introduced, and it won't take long until the antis will find those arbitrary measures which favor their side, and then what?

None of this should be taken as a criticism of your great work, just having a discussion and trying to learn from the man on the front lines!

[Unbekannt]

Traditional Chinese Martial Arts also have what they call a Butterfly knives. These are actually paired, rather broad, flat blades maybe 18 inches long. They are used like nunchucks in their motion. These are basically Bronze Age weapons and really have no practical value in the modern world except as a training tool.

Your butterfly knives are different from these but I am wondering if these Chinese knives were banned in Hawaii too?

[skyblue314]

Today I filed a case I've been wanting to file for about 7 years. Hawaii bans the ownership of butterfly knives for no apparent reason. Thankfully Burton Richardson Andrew Namiki Roberts and the Hawaii Firearms Coalition have teamed up with myself and my clients to challenge this unconstitutional law. Please look at the complaint and Burton's expert report.



https://www.scribd.com/document/4058...ith-Burton-Dec

I'd love someone to file suit in California too. They aren't illegal to own, but sales are still banned.

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[readysetgo]

Free the balisong!

Did you reach out/coordinate with KnifeRights?

[M1NM]

You need to look no further than the flag of Hawaii as to why they would adopt English style knife bans.

[bohoki]

reminds me of that new york nunchuck lawsuit

[pacrat]

the right of the people to keep and bear ARMS, shall not be infringed.

No mention of just firearms.

GO GET EM WOLFIE

[Mrbroom]

California also ban nunchucks. I think that would be a good case down the road in light of the NY ruling

[wpod]

They can be owned for demonstration/competition use onlyaq

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[357manny]

Awesome, thank you sir for filing!

Here's another article detailing your efforts:

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/04/hawaii-butterfly-knife-ban-challenged-on-second-amendment-grounds

[DisgruntledReaper]

So these cork suckers basically dont want to cough anyhthing up and cry and whine and object to everything...

Well,in the future we the firearm and knife owning public should be able to cite the same reasons or variations of,such as how vague and ambiguous various gun control laws are and the fact that they are intentionally vague cannot be accurately interpreted and cause pain and burden upon us...

What a bunch of tools,worthless,id be on their asses for being incompetent in the job and duties.

I wish you luck and hopefully someone with balls calks them out on their bs.

[aBrowningfan]

The CA ban on nunchaku would seem to be a good opportunity for a test case: https://www.mantecabulletin.com/opin...ng-overturned/

[hermosabeach]

My machete is already open

[Sir Toast]

But the children? ?????