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  • #16
    wolfwood
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2012
    • 1371

    Originally posted by Cokebottle
    But it means that even if a challenge against Lautenberg is accepted and ruled favorably by SCOTUS, a separate challenge would be needed against California law, meaning it would need to go through the 9th.
    California likely passed this in anticipation of a future favorable ruling from a SCOTUS comprised of 6 Bush/Trump appointments.
    You could just challenge both in one case.

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    • #17
      ajb78
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Apr 2017
      • 1441

      Originally posted by wolfwood
      Correct. The Ninth Circuit is open to a challenge to Lautenburg and CA state law because there is currently no way to get a conviction set aside or expunged
      So, what would that need to look like, money-wise and plaintiff-wise?

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      • #18
        BryMan92
        Member
        • Mar 2018
        • 360

        Perhaps related:

        A federal lawsuit says the state is violating the Second Amendment by refusing to recognize the restoration of firearm rights by courts in other states.

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        • #19
          wolfwood
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2012
          • 1371

          Originally posted by ajb78
          So, what would that need to look like, money-wise and plaintiff-wise?
          You'd want one or more people with a single county of misdemeanor DV. from years in the past and no convictions afterwards.

          If you were paying a private lawyer to do it I'd suspect around 40-50k to take it all the way up to the Ninth Circuit.

          You'd get your money back if you won.

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          • #20
            Cokebottle
            Señor Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2009
            • 32373

            Originally posted by wolfwood
            You'd want one or more people with a single county of misdemeanor DV. from years in the past and no convictions afterwards.
            And preferably a conviction that stemmed from "BS" accusations from a now-ex-spouse that was plea bargained down to misdo on advice from counsel that it was not worth the cost and risk of taking before a jury, and would have no impact on future firearms ownership or state licensing status.
            - Rich

            Originally posted by dantodd
            A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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            • #21
              anthonyca
              Calguns Addict
              • May 2008
              • 6316

              Originally posted by wolfwood
              You'd want one or more people with a single county of misdemeanor DV. from years in the past and no convictions afterwards.

              If you were paying a private lawyer to do it I'd suspect around 40-50k to take it all the way up to the Ninth Circuit.

              You'd get your money back if you won.
              Originally posted by Cokebottle
              And preferably a conviction that stemmed from "BS" accusations from a now-ex-spouse that was plea bargained down to misdo on advice from counsel that it was not worth the cost and risk of taking before a jury, and would have no impact on future firearms ownership or state licensing status.
              I know of someone who plead to a misdemeanor battery when he was about 19. He was in the Army Reserve at the time. His lawyer did a horrible job and he didn't know about the Federal Lautenberg ban at the time and she never mentioned that. We were throwing people out of the reserves because of this law but he made it through his first 6 year enlistment with an honorable discharge and decorations.

              His lawyer actually told him, in a letter dated after she entered his plea of no contest, that it "occurred to her" that he would be banned for 10 years under California law and he still has that letter.

              He never went to court as the lawyer went for him. The TAHL form only lists a possibility of lost gun rights on one side and he just signed the back because he was a dumb kid who had never ben in trouble and he just spent his life savings on a lawyer he thought had his best interests in mind.

              He is now a early 40 something successful manager of a large team at work and is thinking of challenging this. He has never had any kind of negative law enforcement contact before or after.
              https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

              Originally posted by Wherryj
              I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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              • #22
                walter181
                Junior Member
                • Jan 2013
                • 18

                Interesting reading. Looking forward to seeing what develops, as I fit the bill, single M-DV from over a decade ago with no other run ins with the law of any kind, but don't have a spare 40-50k to drop on this. Also fit the description of what Cokebottle laid out.
                Last edited by walter181; 01-09-2019, 12:26 PM.

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                • #23
                  ajb78
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2017
                  • 1441

                  Originally posted by Cokebottle
                  But it means that even if a challenge against Lautenberg is accepted and ruled favorably by SCOTUS, a separate challenge would be needed against California law, meaning it would need to go through the 9th.
                  California likely passed this in anticipation of a future favorable ruling from a SCOTUS comprised of 6 Bush/Trump appointments.
                  Wouldn't a challenge to CA law only be needed if the conviction was for PC 273.5, and the conviction occurred after January 1, 2019?

                  https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=29805.

                  Originally posted by 29805
                  [snip]
                  (b) Any person who is convicted, on or after January 1, 2019, of a misdemeanor violation of Section 273.5, and who subsequently owns, purchases, receives, or has in possession or under custody or control, any firearm is guilty of a public offense, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison, by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

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                  • #24
                    anthonyca
                    Calguns Addict
                    • May 2008
                    • 6316

                    Originally posted by walter181
                    Interesting reading. Looking forward to seeing what develops, as I fit the bill, single M-DV from over a decade ago with no other run ins with the law of any kind, but don't have a spare 40-50k to drop on this. Also fit the description of what Cokebottle laid out.
                    I know someone who has the money and is in this situation. Who should he contact?
                    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

                    Originally posted by Wherryj
                    I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?

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                    • #25
                      wolfwood
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 1371





                      My business partner does all the client intake. He'd be happy to look at it.

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                      • #26
                        ajb78
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 1441

                        I was cleaning out my inbox and ran across a notification email for this thread, which appears to have gotten buried to page 3 now, how time flies.

                        Does the NYSRPA v. Bruen decision give any help to these types of cases? How about the spreadsheets created for the various cases that Benitez is currently hearing? I'm not seeing a whole lot of, if any, history to support such a law.

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                        • #27
                          Librarian
                          Admin and Poltergeist
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 44625

                          Originally posted by ajb78
                          I was cleaning out my inbox and ran across a notification email for this thread, which appears to have gotten buried to page 3 now, how time flies.

                          Does the NYSRPA v. Bruen decision give any help to these types of cases? How about the spreadsheets created for the various cases that Benitez is currently hearing? I'm not seeing a whole lot of, if any, history to support such a law.
                          Apparently Bruen does. See this thread about a 5th Circuit case - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1843110
                          ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                          Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                          • #28
                            ajb78
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Apr 2017
                            • 1441

                            Originally posted by Librarian
                            Apparently Bruen does. See this thread about a 5th Circuit case - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1843110
                            Thank you Librarian, I saw that elsewhere shortly after my post here. Interesting timing to say the least.

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