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[Spyder]

It isn't. But it's also legal in many states.

[Duck Killer]

Ignorant question: how is a feeder station different from baiting?

Baiting is more of to attract animals to kill. Feeder stations are more of the maintenance of the animals on the property. In other states feeders are used to keep animals healthy and help aid in growth and population. California is against property owners creating habitat and programs to increase populations and animal size.

[Spyder]

California is against property owners creating habitat and programs to increase populations and animal size.

Untrue. There are all kinds of programs that help landowners improve habitat, and reward with tags for doing so. CA just doesn't allow bait stations and electronic feeders, and for plenty of good reasons.

[Satex]

So hunting next to a feeding station is allowed but next to a baiting station is prohibited? How does one differentiate between a feeding and baiting station?

[edgerly779]

Ours are rotary baiting stations run off solar runs few minutes couple times a day when we stock them.

[Duck Killer]

Untrue. There are all kinds of programs that help landowners improve habitat, and reward with tags for doing so. CA just doesn't allow bait stations and electronic feeders, and for plenty of good reasons.

Please explain these great programs? These programs are done to help ranches get special tags and seasons. Like the Tejon ranch. They are animal management programs for the pure intention of tags than actual creating animal habitat that is better than what was available naturally. There is very few properties that participate verse in other states thousands of ranches work directly with fish and game to create programs to creat food plots, water access and feeders to maximize the animal population and health. If you contact California fish and wildlife for the same thing they would arrest you because it is all illegal.


The biggest program offered by the state is open space. A majority of that property is not open to the public.

Please also explain why feeders are bad if they was laws allowing there usage but prohibit hunting of them.

[Duck Killer]

So hunting next to a feeding station is allowed but next to a baiting station is prohibited? How does one differentiate between a feeding and baiting station?

It depends on your state laws. They are basically the same thing with different intent. Some people will hunt feeders but feeders are used to help Animal populations growth and health. Feeders are usually year around while bait is used to bring in animals just to be hunted at that time. Feeders are an excellent way of helping way to increase animal populations and should be allowed in California. All California needs to do is prohibit hunting of feeders instead of prohibiting them completely.

[edgerly779]

When we can get help on property to load feeders when we cannot get there it will help hold exotics. My bro is 300 miles away and i am 1100 miles away.

[Spyder]

Please explain these great programs? These programs are done to help ranches get special tags and seasons. Like the Tejon ranch. They are animal management programs for the pure intention of tags than actual creating animal habitat that is better than what was available naturally. There is very few properties that participate verse in other states thousands of ranches work directly with fish and game to create programs to creat food plots, water access and feeders to maximize the animal population and health. If you contact California fish and wildlife for the same thing they would arrest you because it is all illegal.


The biggest program offered by the state is open space. A majority of that property is not open to the public.

Please also explain why feeders are bad if they was laws allowing there usage but prohibit hunting of them.

Seeing as how you've already made up your mind about it, I'm sure you have some excuses about how the PLM program is terrible and horrific, but...the PLM program does exactly what you say it doesn't. Yea, there's not a huge number of properties or people doing it but that's the decision of the landowners. If I had a little more land than I do, I'd absolutely get involved with it.

Nobody is going to arrest you for improving wildlife habitat on your own land. That's ludicrous. Almost every county in the state has programs that work with landowners to improve wildlife habitat.

As for feeders, if you don't understand the difference between whitetail populations and blacktail, mule deer and elk populations, or the hugely increased disease pathways that concentrated feeding locations have, then perhaps you should spend some time studying.

California's cervid populations and habitat are very much different than Texas, in species, style, landscape, carrying capacity, diseases (Ever heard of CWD or cervid HD's?), etc. Comparing Texas or Pennsylvania or Iowa's style of hunting and management needs to California is ridiculous and you either know it, or should know it and are just willfully ignorant about it. I certainly don't agree with everything that fish and wildlife does, but one can still understand the need for different rulesets and management for different situations.