Is DHS prepping for end times?

[problemchild]

Seems like the Feds are getting ready for something. I wonder what that "something" is?

The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million .40 cal Bullets and 175 million .223. Seems like they should go the other way around rifle/handgun.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigration-agents-are-loading-up-on-as-many-as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."

This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: "this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions."

We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

The deadline for earlier this month was extended because the right contractor just hadn't come along.

Looks like the Department of Homeland Security means business.

[bug_eyedmonster]

damnit, i better buy some bullets to load before they use it all up!!!

[ervaztec]

How does this quantity compare to there previous purchases?

[furiousyellow]

the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact

The Department of Homeland Security has deemed that persons shall now be referred to as "barriers" in any future correspondence.

[RugerFanRyan]

This again...

450m bullets over 5 years for the amount of people that carry guns working for them isn't a lot when you factor all that in + training.



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[chris]

has this been discussed before. i remember reading about this in OT sometime ago. it really means nothing IMO since they are an agency that does employ that carry firearms and they must have their own ammo to train with. we don't need them digging to the military's training ammo stocks.

[RugerFanRyan]

has this been discussed before. i remember reading about this in OT sometime ago.

Yep 4-5 different threads on this.

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[chris]

Yep 4-5 different threads on this.

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that is what i thought.

[george tirebiter]

This again...

450m bullets over 5 years for the amount of people that carry guns working for them isn't a lot when you factor all that in + training.



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Why cant they train with ball ammo?

[MudCamper]

This again...

450m bullets over 5 years for the amount of people that carry guns working for them isn't a lot when you factor all that in + training.

Correct. I saw the number of DHS employees stated in another thread on this and it works out to about 1000 rounds per employee per year. Not very much by my standards.

Why cant they train with ball ammo?

"Train with what you will use", is a LE mantra that also means, "spend more money".

[kb58]

Thank you for the comments based upon rational thought and objectivity. Threads using the tabloid "journalism" technique of adding a question mark allow making inflammatory insinuations, without the responsibility of providing facts. There's already plenty of paranoid/dillusional threads in the survivalists forums that'll keep us going for years

[problemchild]

Actually its 31,250 per employee. And who the heck trains with mega-$$$$$ expensive hollow-points?

Probably most of those "employees" are pencil pushers making that number much higher for armed employees. Maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 per employee who actually shoots a gun.

Correct. I saw the number of DHS employees stated in another thread on this and it works out to about 1000 rounds per employee per year. Not very much by my standards.



"Train with what you will use", is a LE mantra that also means, "spend more money".

[problemchild]

Wow lots of name calling and stick poking in your reply.

Thank you for the comments based upon rational thought and objectivity. Threads using the tabloid "journalism" technique of adding a question mark allow making inflammatory insinuations, without the responsibility of providing facts. There's already plenty of paranoid/dillusional threads in the survivalists forums that'll keep us going for years

[damon1272]

Don't worry PC. A lot of people cannot connect the dots of what is going on with our Gov. One incident is nothing, couple this with all of the little things like large purchases of freeze dried food and changes in polcies and positions by the gov. And you start to get a much more worrisome picture.

[Tempus]

Actually its 31,250 per employee. And who the heck trains with mega-$$$$$ expensive hollow-points?

Probably most of those "employees" are pencil pushers making that number much higher for armed employees. Maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 500,000 per employee who actually shoots a gun.

500,000 gun holders.
450 million rounds over 5 yrs = 90 million rounds/yr

Quick wiki search puts DHS at 210,000 ppl. ICE at 20,000.


90 millions rnds / 230,000 ppl = 391 rounds/person per year.

Now, I personally doubt that DHS and ICE has that many agents carrying but there is the math for ya. If only half of those guys have weapons that is still under 1000 rnds per person per year for all their training and whatever tactical needs.