Very interesting video from an NG member about Katrina

[problemchild]

Fast forward to min (part 4) 7:30 when the NG member talks about gangs raiding towns during Katrina.

You might want to listen to the whole 5 segments starting with number 1. They are very enlightening. He talks openly about the Katrina disaster and what their part was.

They discuss gun confiscation during national disasters which I think would be our worst fear if any bad disaster happens here.

Part 1

Part two discusses "plain clothes special forces members roaming town".

[echo1]

My yougest son, 18 at the time, was in the first Red Cross Team from Modesto to arrive. My oldest got there a week later and went back twice. They both said many people deserved to get shot. PAX

[r3dn3ck]

they must be the ultimate judges of who deserves death and who doesn't then. Glad you see them as right and just. Great job bringing em' up.

Most of the time when I go to do charity work or relief work, I just do not presume to judge those that I'm helping regardless of how wrong they might end up being. It's not what I'm there for. I'm there to help and support. Your boys could take a lesson....

[Lone_Gunman]

they must be the ultimate judges of who deserves death and who doesn't then. Glad you see them as right and just. Great job bringing em' up.

Most of the time when I go to do charity work or relief work, I just do not presume to judge those that I'm helping regardless of how wrong they might end up being. It's not what I'm there for. I'm there to help and support. Your boys could take a lesson....

[problemchild]

they must be the ultimate judges of who deserves death and who doesn't then. Glad you see them as right and just. Great job bringing em' up.

Most of the time when I go to do charity work or relief work, I just do not presume to judge those that I'm helping regardless of how wrong they might end up being. It's not what I'm there for. I'm there to help and support. Your boys could take a lesson....

Personally I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

[echo1]

rk, I don't mean to be argumentive or overtly simplistic or misunderstood. But check this out. I've got a backpacking crew of youngsters, mostly long term friends of my 3 now adult sons. The week end of Katrina, I took my youngest son, 18 years old, and 2 of his buds (who were brothers), to the Yosemite School of Mountaineering to learn some climbing skills (where your life depends on trust and team work). Anyway that's a whole other story. So Monday morning after Katrina he comes over from his OWN place to mooch cereal. He sees the news is on about Katrina and says "Those people are gonna need help", sees the Red Cross Modesto phone # and calls, goes to Modesto gets, hooked with thoose folks, schedules to leave Wednesday, and was in the first Red Cross Team the National Guard let in to New Orleans. Supposed to start his new job as an apprentice electrician that Tuesday, at $14 bucks an hour. It gets better, his new boss tells him "We'll wait, we've heard good things about you". Wednesday he's gone. After a week my oldest son said he had to go make sure his little bro was alright, dropped what he was doing and paid for his own bus ticket as a donation, they were both gone 3 weeks each. My oldest went back twice. They didn't volunteer when it was convient or fit into their schedule.They were brought up to do the right thing and think for theirselves, and that there are bad people who should get what they deserve. They hold themselves responsible for their own actions and expect no less for others. Sorry about the rant, but those be my boys you're talkin' about. I don't know if you have any sons, but you raise them to be men. If you're lucky no one turns out to be an ax murderer. PAX

[thenodnarb]

they must be the ultimate judges of who deserves death and who doesn't then. Glad you see them as right and just. Great job bringing em' up.

Most of the time when I go to do charity work or relief work, I just do not presume to judge those that I'm helping regardless of how wrong they might end up being. It's not what I'm there for. I'm there to help and support. Your boys could take a lesson....

There are certainly situations where someone deserves to be shot, immediately. If you don't think so, then the next time someone breaks into your home at night, possibly to do bodily harm to you or your family, you can just wait for a jury to determine what punishment that person should receive. Leave the gun in the safe. After all, you can't presume to judge others. They might just need your help.

I could imagine that those boys might have seen looting, unprovoked violence towards others, rape, etc... All of which our society accepts the use of immediate deadly force. Some things don't require a judge and jury to determine, and which require immediate action to prevent extensive bodily harm or death. Perhaps you could take a lesson?
But i'm sure you know this.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Video was too long and boring to watch in its entirety. However there were 3 things id like to point out that came to mind from this video:

1) You loot, I shoot. (not only loot but rape, rob, assault, murder etc.. If i see it, im taking immediate action on behalf of the victim(s).

2) Anyone that comes to take my guns, will get them. Bullets first!

3) The law of the land now is that the government cant confiscate one's firearms during state of disaster. Prez Bush made sure of that after katrina fiasco with the police in New Orleans. So I dont worry too much of having to enact my rule #2 above.

Of course there is some kind of loop-hole in that law that some keyboard-cop im sure is gonna feel the need to point out (and probably with the section numbers, quotes and pretty highlighted lettering too) where the government can STILL take our guns away if.......("______________") (fill in the blank for "any" reason blah blah blah). However the fact is that ANY law on the books could be thrown out the window anytime the government deems necessary. They can make up an excuse to do whatever they want and whenever they want.

It still does not negate the "spirit of the law," when it comes to citizens being able to now and in the future arm themselves during disaster and not worrying (too much) about the cops or national guard comming to confiscate our guns.

Just my un-paranoid opinion, so dont be a hater.

[Nodda Duma]

However the fact is that ANY law on the books could be thrown out the window anytime the government deems necessary. They can make up an excuse to do whatever they want and whenever they want.

That is very true, and the only thing that would prevent the government from destroying freedom and liberty is the 2nd Amendment and the willingness of the people to exercise it.

Sadly, the latter has diminished over time.

[problemchild]

Im with you. No matter what law they enact they are not taking my guns, period! If they start slaughtering citizens to take their guns by force the word will spread and the first that died will become martyrs. I believe it will inspire the rest to get off their knees to protect their last right and the constitution.

But hell maybe Im dead wrong.

Video was too long and boring to watch in its entirety. However there were 3 things id like to point out that came to mind from this video:

1) You loot, I shoot. (not only loot but rape, rob, assault, murder etc.. If i see it, im taking immediate action on behalf of the victim(s).

2) Anyone that comes to take my guns, will get them. Bullets first!

3) The law of the land now is that the government cant confiscate one's firearms during state of disaster. Prez Bush made sure of that after katrina fiasco with the police in New Orleans. So I dont worry too much of having to enact my rule #2 above.

Of course there is some kind of loop-hole in that law that some keyboard-cop im sure is gonna feel the need to point out (and probably with the section numbers, quotes and pretty highlighted lettering too) where the government can STILL take our guns away if.......("______________") (fill in the blank for "any" reason blah blah blah). However the fact is that ANY law on the books could be thrown out the window anytime the government deems necessary. They can make up an excuse to do whatever they want and whenever they want.

It still does not negate the "spirit of the law," when it comes to citizens being able to now and in the future arm themselves during disaster and not worrying (too much) about the cops or national guard comming to confiscate our guns.

Just my un-paranoid opinion, so dont be a hater.

[problemchild]

There are still a few good men left in this country.

rk, I don't mean to be argumentive or overtly simplistic or misunderstood. But check this out. I've got a backpacking crew of youngsters, mostly long term friends of my 3 now adult sons. The week end of Katrina, I took my youngest son, 18 years old, and 2 of his buds (who were brothers), to the Yosemite School of Mountaineering to learn some climbing skills (where your life depends on trust and team work). Anyway that's a whole other story. So Monday morning after Katrina he comes over from his OWN place to mooch cereal. He sees the news is on about Katrina and says "Those people are gonna need help", sees the Red Cross Modesto phone # and calls, goes to Modesto gets, hooked with thoose folks, schedules to leave Wednesday, and was in the first Red Cross Team the National Guard let in to New Orleans. Supposed to start his new job as an apprentice electrician that Tuesday, at $14 bucks an hour. It gets better, his new boss tells him "We'll wait, we've heard good things about you". Wednesday he's gone. After a week my oldest son said he had to go make sure his little bro was alright, dropped what he was doing and paid for his own bus ticket as a donation, they were both gone 3 weeks each. My oldest went back twice. They didn't volunteer when it was convient or fit into their schedule.They were brought up to do the right thing and think for theirselves, and that there are bad people who should get what they deserve. They hold themselves responsible for their own actions and expect no less for others. Sorry about the rant, but those be my boys you're talkin' about. I don't know if you have any sons, but you raise them to be men. If you're lucky no one turns out to be an ax murderer. PAX

[Stormfeather]

*shakes head @ video* being as how is was nearly a full week before the NG even got mobilized, much less showed up. . . Those guys were so clueless it wasnt even funny. They tried to exert their "im NG, you WILL listen to me" attitude on me, told them to go pound rocks off a short pier. Was even threatened to be ticketed by one of the MP's, too bad he didnt even have a ticket book. It was a real schlong wagging contest after all the agencies finally did show up, and none of them even had a clue from get go.

there were no "gangs" roaming NOLA, there were a chitcan full of opportunistic little chits who took advantage of the situation to loot/rob places/people.

[ElToro]

seems to me the roaming gangs were mostly wearing .gov costumes..

[tankerman]

Most of the time when I go to do charity work or relief work, I just do not presume to judge those that I'm helping regardless of how wrong they might end up being. It's not what I'm there for. I'm there to help and support. Your boys could take a lesson....

There are two sides to that -

Rewarding bad behavior encourages more bad behavior.
Accountability is where it's at.


There are two types of charity workers; folks that do it to make themselves feel good and those that do it to help others.

[Steve1968LS2]

they must be the ultimate judges of who deserves death and who doesn't then. Glad you see them as right and just. Great job bringing em' up.

Most of the time when I go to do charity work or relief work, I just do not presume to judge those that I'm helping regardless of how wrong they might end up being. It's not what I'm there for. I'm there to help and support. Your boys could take a lesson....

It's amazing how the internet enables people to come off as such an ***.. lol

Maybe have a beer and relax a bit keyboard warrior..