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  • OHOD
    I need a LIFE!!
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    • Jan 2009
    • 11047

    Silver $33.90, Gasoline $3.80, Food prices rise: Is SHTF on the horizon?

    Silver and gold are on the rise.
    Silver $33.90
    Gold $1415.40

    Turmoil in the Middle East is a strong component of rising oil cost, thereby resulting in higher gasoline prices.
    I've been seeing $3.90 for the good stuff (California)
    Possible $5-6 by this summer.

    My favorite ice cream bar went up in price from $1.69 to $1.89
    12 ounce can of soda at work, from $0.85 to $1.00.
    Other food prices are beginning to inflate.

    QE2, Quantitative Easing, which is the printing of money by the Federal Reserve, thereby causing inflation.

    China is grumbling about the US Federal Reserve Note (the dollar) as the world reserve currency. They are calling for a different reserve currency that could possibly be a basket of currencies and commodities: Gold, Silver, Yuan, Ruble, Oil and a few others. I think the Yen is in there, not the dollar.

    Middle East turmoil. When a ruler falls, you never know what is going to happen. Economic and political instability will continue.
    One could add that terrorism, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran could be added to the pot of unrest in that part of the world.

    PIIGS, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain are at the brink of economic collapse. High unemployment, national debt and etc...

    Germany and other EU countries have recently talked about pulling out of the union. They have yet to do this, but they have talked about it in the past. Consider that they are "saber rattling" from an economic standpoint. In other words, they want the EU to become economically stable or they will back out of the EU.

    England is having their own issues, inflation, cost of education and etc...

    The United States seems to have had the concept of Civic Virtue put on the back burner. If you are unsure what this means, read The Fall of the Roman Empire. The theory is that the decline of civic virtue was a component of the fall of the Roman Empire.

    So what do you think?

    Is a SHTF situation below, on or above the horizon?
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    Below horizon, I have no idea if or when it will happen.
    0%
    24
    On the horizon, if things don't change, then SHTF is likely.
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    45
    Above the horizon, we are in SHTF, but only mildly and will continue to be a problem.
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    15
    SHTF will never happen, there are too many checks and balances in place.
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    13
    Yet another insightful poll.
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    ENTHUSIAST
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    • Feb 2008
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    Your sigline just scares me I think you are right about seeing $6 a gal gas... VERY SOON.

    BTW San Diego has a few stations over $4/gal as of yesterday.
    Last edited by ENTHUSIAST; 02-28-2011, 9:27 AM.

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    • #3
      OHOD
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      • Jan 2009
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      Originally posted by ENTHUSIAST
      Your sigline just scares me I think you are right about seeing $6 a gal gas... VERY SOON.

      BTW San Diego has a few stations over $4/gal as of yesterday.
      Ouch!!
      Around here it is $3.90.

      Interesting is that there isn't much comment by the administration about this issue. When gas hit over $3 a few years ago, Americans went ballistic.
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      • #4
        DTOM CA!
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        • Jun 2009
        • 1060

        I own a business and am raising prices today due to raw materials and higher transportation costs. I have not raised prices for 2 years. The middle east turmoil is going to have a direct impact on the U.S. while they sort things out. I have always wondered when inflation truly kicks in and interest rates rise how is the U.S. going to be able to pay the interest on the 14 trillion + debt ?

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        • #5
          45DAVID1
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          • Oct 2007
          • 12145

          Most people are too scared of the consequences of their own actions in this country to actually stand up and forcefully try and change things.

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            OHOD
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            • Jan 2009
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            Originally posted by DTOM CA!
            I own a business and am raising prices today due to raw materials and higher transportation costs. I have not raised prices for 2 years. The middle east turmoil is going to have a direct impact on the U.S. while they sort things out. I have always wondered when inflation truly kicks in and interest rates rise how is the U.S. going to be able to pay the interest on the 14 trillion + debt ?
            Thanks for trying to keep prices down. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

            What kind of business do you own?
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            • #7
              gravedigger
              Banned
              • Jul 2008
              • 2015

              I know prices are going up, but people tend to panic over slight variations in prices.

              Example:

              My tow truck gets 13 MPG. I currently charge $3.00 per LOADED mile for a tow.

              At $2.00 per gallon - The truck costs me 15.4 cents per mile for fuel

              At $3.00 per gallon - The truck costs me 23.0 cents per mile for fuel

              At $4.00 per gallon - The truck costs me 30.7 cents per mile for fuel

              At $5.00 per gallon - The truck costs me 38.4 cents per mile for fuel

              At $6.00 per gallon - The truck costs me 46.2 cents per mile for fuel

              At $7.00 per gallon - The truck costs me 53.8 cents per mile for fuel

              From $3.00 to $7.00 per gallon, my fuel costs went up 30 CENTS per mile.

              Now, I make a round trip on most tows, since I have to return from the tow, and there are "dead head" miles to the starting point and from the drop-off point that the customer is not directly billed for, but basically, you can triple the loaded mile costs to cover all of the running around.

              So, at $3.00 per gallon, with all of the running around, errands, personal miles, etc., the truck is costing me about 69 CENTS per loaded mile at $3.00 per gallon, and $1.40 per loaded mile at $6.00 per gallon.

              My rate was based on $2.00 per gallon fuel costs. Now that diesel has gone from about $2.00 to about $4.00 per gallon, my fuel costs have increased from 7.5% to 15%. People are telling me to "PANIC!" and raise my rate to $4.00 per loaded mile. Well, the extra money would be nice when it comes in, but raising the rate ALSO means that fewer people will hire me to tow their motorcycles, so even though I'd be making more per tow, my gross income would suffer. Yes, my overhead would also diminish, but in the towing business, if your customer decideds to go with someone else during tight times, he'll probabably STAY with that competitor when things get better.

              I have been thinking of charging my $3.00 rate plus a "Fuel Surcharge" of 8 cents per loaded mile to offset the higher fuel costs.

              Then again, I'm not a savvy businessman, and when all of the dust settles, I'm probably working for nothing
              Last edited by gravedigger; 02-28-2011, 10:02 AM.

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                Casual_Shooter
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                • Sep 2006
                • 11733

                Originally posted by OHOD
                Ouch!!
                Around here it is $3.90.

                Interesting is that there isn't much comment by the administration about this issue. When gas hit over $3 a few years ago, Americans went ballistic.
                It's the numbification effect.

                Each high point that causes an outrage is always higher than the last one. We have given up on $2.00/ gallon, so "maybe we can hold it at $3.00". Next will be, "maybe we can hold it at $4.00".
                Guns, dogs and home alarms. Opponents are all of a sudden advocates once their personal space is violated.

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                • #9
                  DTOM CA!
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                  • Jun 2009
                  • 1060

                  Originally posted by OHOD
                  Thanks for trying to keep prices down. But you gotta do what you gotta do.

                  What kind of business do you own?
                  Water (liquid filtration) filters. 11 years ago I decided I would go into an industry that people will always need ( I used to sell computer cables). I figured you will always need clean water and the EPA was only going to get stricter in what you were allowed to put down the drain. So far so good.

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                  • #10
                    Quinc
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                    • Jan 2010
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                    Originally posted by Casual_Shooter
                    It's the numbification effect.

                    Each high point that causes an outrage is always higher than the last one. We have given up on $2.00/ gallon, so "maybe we can hold it at $3.00". Next will be, "maybe we can hold it at $4.00".
                    This^^ its like we get to where hey 3$ is a great deal now! and once it hits 6$ a gallon 4$ will seem like a great deal.
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                    • #11
                      ENTHUSIAST
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                      • Feb 2008
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                      I thought I was the only one noticing gas prices rising earlier this month:

                      Posted 2/17/11:


                      It seems people are just not outraged enough yet... (or the media is pulling a distract again.) Probably the latter.

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                      • #12
                        Crom
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                        • Feb 2010
                        • 1619

                        Originally posted by Casual_Shooter
                        It's the numbification effect.

                        Each high point that causes an outrage is always higher than the last one. We have given up on $2.00/ gallon, so "maybe we can hold it at $3.00". Next will be, "maybe we can hold it at $4.00".
                        Agreed.

                        There is no question in my mind that we have departed from an era in which cheap oil was plentiful. We have entered an era where if there is not significant change there will be much pain and suffering.

                        Our household is preparing for Thunderdome. I was saving $400 a month in an independent retirement fund. As of October last year those funds have been redirected to the SHTF fund where regular purchases have been made to reinforce our supplies and equipment.
                        Last edited by Crom; 02-28-2011, 2:31 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Quinc
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                          Inflation Adjusted Gasoline Prices
                          Year Price
                          1958 $2.26
                          1968 $2.13
                          1978 $2.17
                          1988 $1.77
                          1998 $1.36
                          2008 $3.26
                          2010 $2.73


                          Chart credit: http://www.inflationdata.com/inflati..._Inflation.asp
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                          • #14
                            mschliebs
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                            Yawn.

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                              Originally posted by 45DAVID1
                              Most people are too scared of the consequences of their own actions in this country to actually stand up and forcefully try and change things.
                              Sadly good sir, I think you are right.
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