Spyderco Yojimbo 2

[Paparock]

JUMP

Thx crufflers...I can answer that more logically than he did:
Ignorance and general lack of comprehension.



You’re right we don’t see eye to eye, and it has nothing to do with how I vote. Everything to do with you being a short-time transplant in this state, and coming on an open forum complaining about our laws and calling out our law-enforcement for not doing their jobs up to YOUR standard.

Good luck down there in L.A. Try not to kill anybody or you’re really gonna see how this State can strip a person of all rights (and dignity). The only place you’ll be concealing a blade is up your ignorant a** in Corcoran State Prison

Speaking of being an ignorant a** I guess you should know being an expert at it and all! Gee, I asked a question about being here for over six years and seeing people driving over 20 miles per hour over the speed limit right past CHP patrol units without any action being taken and I am attacked for it. NICE! Why don't you shove your ignorant head up your rear and jump? Then perhaps you would disappear. LOL.

You attacked me dim bub so try and come up with some original material! To see to eye with you I would have to get down on my knees you are so childish!

[Paparock]

Linehand131

If you don't like my posts then stop reading them! You obviously can't handle them. I have every right to state my opinion which you are not capable of handling. I called out no one, you are just not capable of understanding and are too thin skinned to tolerate any opinion but your own. No one said anything about killing anyone but you cretin. California already strips a person of all rights (and dignity) except illegal aliens and pot smokers. You already conceal your brains in an undisclosed location.

[crufflers]

I have every right to state my opinion which you are not capable of handling. No one said anything about killing anyone but you cretin. California already strips a person of all rights (and dignity) except illegal aliens and pot smokers. You already conceal your brains in an undisclosed location.

The Head Janitor decides if you have any rights around here. He's more than fair so if he gets involved it is on you.

For me, one of the common themes for out-of-state people lecturing poor Calgunners is the fact that they almost always seem to make totally incorrect assumptions about what we'd get riled up about and what we do not get emotional enough about or need to be schooled on. The group in general knows what's up - definitely better than an out-of-stater who is pissed about the 1970's.

Honestly, leftists are really easy to spot here (if they post). I haven't seen any lately but I haven't been looking.

[Paparock]

Crufflers, Linehand131 started this fight by attacking me and telling me to go away. No one has to read my posts and as I said in the post that Linehand131 was sooooo offended by "Yes, I know I am free to leave and will as soon as I can convince my wife to do so!"

As a senior member I also noted you did not object to Linehand131 telling me "The only place you’ll be concealing a blade is up your ignorant a** in Corcoran State Prison". Where was your telling him about moderation and decorum or does that only apply to out-of-staters that have moved into California? I surely would not want to be accused of lecturing you. I've only been on the planet going on 68 years soon to be 69 on Dec. 23rd and know absolutely nothing.

It is very interesting how disingenuous you are about allowing Linehand131 to attack me without any correction while choosing to point out what you don't like what I post. It seems on face value somewhat hypocritical on your part. As a former moderator myself I welcome a moderator cooling off the hypertension in these posts just as long as there is equal justice imposed I am cool with it. I did not ask to be attacked or the continued attacks.

[crufflers]

You can note whatever you like. I am not a moderator and "Sr. Member" is some label the forum software adds after some flag level hits - join date or posts, I dunno. I'm just some gun nut in CA on the internet. I didn't say I liked or disliked anything either one of you posted. It is a fact that I dislike out of state people getting political and typically telling us we deserve it etc... my OPINION is that you are one of us now since you are not posting from PA or anywhere else. The more you post the more you sound like a grumpy out of stater that's mad cause no one will listen though. I'm listening to you, but as far as I can tell you don't want to talk knives anymore. I like Spyderco's and ZT's. I can tell you something for certain, you do not have a monopoly on grumpiness or aged wisdom around here.

Welcome to California.

[Paparock]

You can note whatever you like. I am not a moderator and "Sr. Member" is some label the forum software adds after some flag level hits - join date or posts, I dunno. I'm just some gun nut in CA on the internet. I didn't say I liked or disliked anything either one of you posted. It is a fact that I dislike out of state people getting political and typically telling us we deserve it etc... my OPINION is that you are one of us now since you are not posting from PA or anywhere else. The more you post the more you sound like a grumpy out of stater that's mad cause no one will listen though. I'm listening to you, but as far as I can tell you don't want to talk knives anymore. I like Spyderco's and ZT's. I can tell you something for certain, you do not have a monopoly on grumpiness or aged wisdom around here.

Welcome to California.

Thanks for the welcome! I appreciate it and I do sincerely mean that. Yes, I am a grumpy old fart especially since I have moved to California. I have a lot of experience carrying a gun and knives and some strong opinions on what I like to carry and why so by many years of doing it. It irks me when a bunch of politicians that don't know their head from their a**holes legislate my safety out of pure ignorance and political agenda! I value my life more than that and California law enforcements response times are not able to protect people. I started this thread talking about what I carry in California and what I wish I could carry and why as I have carried in multiple states. Then I get this jerk Linehand131 attacking me and that he hopes I go to prison and have my knives shoved up my a**. All because I don't like California laws which is anyone's right. So very tolerant of him, NOT! If you can't see California laws need changing to protect its citizens, in my view at least, you have blinders on.

The guy above me, in my apartment complex, has beaten his wife three times in the last year with multiple people including me calling in because of the screaming and threats of the use of a knife and there has been no action taken and no follow up by the investigating officers with those that called in as I was one and I know others that called in and they have also not been contacted for follow up. But its only been nine months so maybe they will eventually get a round to it. So I'm not impressed with the Sherriff's Department handling of the multiple incidents and lack of follow up. No, what did you hear, no, what was said, etc. etc.. They were so loud people were running up from the building 100 yards away to see the apartment number to call 911.

[gorn5150]

It is my understand that concealed carry of the fixed blade knives I prefer is illegal in California. Openly carrying such knives defeats the purpose of carrying such knives and invites you to surprise attacks by criminals.

Concealed carry is illegal. That isn't how you phrased you OP.

[Paparock]

Concealed carry is illegal. That isn't how you phrased you OP.

I started carrying a gun, knives, and the predecessor to the ASP as the guy that came out with it was in my platoon shortly after I left back in 1973. I met him at the National Police Chief's Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul where I was a factory rep. for Second Chance Body Armor. We were talking and discovered he had been in the same Drug Suppression Unit on Okinawa and had joined it only a few months after I had left the Island. I was the Officer that had purchased the collapsible metal batons for my unit from the Okinawan Police and it was from those he later developed the modern day Asp batons. Small World. I have been carrying firearms and knives according to the laws where I live ever since I was discharged in 1973? How long have you been carrying?

[Paparock]

I've got a couple of Spydercos but I prefer Kershaw flippers.

Must easier for me to open and manipulate and they cost much less than Spyders. I've also got a couple of full length knives (the Gerber MkI is my fave) and push daggers but find them difficult to carry/deploy.

Flipper/folders work best for me.

Spydercos are certainly not cheap and if you are happy with what you have more power to you. The Gerber Mk I (I have one also) will go through soft body armor like a hot knife through butter if you know the technique. The inventor of soft body armor (Richard Davis) taught it to me while I was a rep. for Second Chance Body armor. Richard used one to drive through both the front and back panels combined of competitors "Knife Proof" vests! I still have a video around the house here somewhere of him doing that.

[crufflers]

Spydercos are certainly not cheap and if you are happy with what you have more power to you. The Gerber Mk I (I have one also) will go through soft body armor like a hot knife through butter if you know the technique.

Some of the good ones are not too pricey. A CentofanteIII is only about $60 IIRC - about the same as a nice Kershaw Blur.

What's the technique for penetrating soft armor? Push straight real hard?

[Paparock]

Some of the good ones are not too pricey. A CentofanteIII is only about $60 IIRC - about the same as a nice Kershaw Blur.

What's the technique for penetrating soft armor? Push straight real hard?

That is something I am not going to put on an open form considering it would put Law Enforcement lives in danger. Richard taught it to Law Enforcement so they would be aware of it and in case they ever ran up against a perp with a vest on and it cane down to hand to hand.

[gorn5150]

I started carrying a gun, knives, and the predecessor to the ASP as the guy that came out with it was in my platoon shortly after I left back in 1973. I met him at the National Police Chief's Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul where I was a factory rep. for Second Chance Body Armor. We were talking and discovered he had been in the same Drug Suppression Unit on Okinawa and had joined it only a few months after I had left the Island. I was the Officer that had purchased the collapsible metal batons for my unit from the Okinawan Police and it was from those he later developed the modern day Asp batons. Small World. I have been carrying firearms and knives according to the laws where I live ever since I was discharged in 1973? How long have you been carrying?

Not sure what all this has to do with you not phrasing your original post to convey what you tried to say. But I started "carrying" in 1975 and still do. I have always qualified at the Master level and was a primary firearms instructor for an agency of over 1000 until I retired. So I guess you win by 2 years.

[Paparock]

Not sure what all this has to do with you not phrasing your original post to convey what you tried to say. But I started "carrying" in 1975 and still do. I have always qualified at the Master level and was a primary firearms instructor for an agency of over 1000 until I retired. So I guess you win by 2 years.

I was just wondering were you were coming from. Now I know. Thanks for the reply. I would appreciate it if you would make some of your posts a little clearer. Is it or is it not illegal to carry fixed blades concealed in California?

For fixed blades (known as a dirk or dagger), or a folding knife in the open and locked position, they must be carried “openly”. California Penal Code section 16470 classifies a dirk or dagger as a knife or instrument with or without a hand guard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death. Per the penal code there is no length limit as long as it is carried openly. A knife carried in a sheath that is worn openly suspended from the waist of the wearer is considered open carry and is legal. Penal code section 20200. Carrying a concealed dirk or dagger is illegal pursuant to Penal Code Section 12020(a)(4).

Los Angeles Code section 55.01 also makes it illegal to carry any weapon concealed on one’s person. As such, in Los Angeles, you can’t openly carry a blade over 3″, but you can’t carry such a weapon concealed, either.

Interestingly, the Courts have held that the Los Angeles law forbidding carrying a concealed weapon is invalid. In the 1968 case of People v. Bass, a man was arrested and charged with carrying a concealed folding knife. The Court of Appeals overturned the conviction, holding that the Los Angeles law conflicted with the state law, and was therefore invalid. Nonetheless, the Los Angeles law is still on the books.

What is even more interesting is that other, more recent cases completely contradict the decision in People v. Bass. In the 1985 case of People v. Gerardoi, the defendant was charged with violating a local law of the City of Commerce that is nearly identical to the Los Angeles local law prohibiting carrying blades over 3″. On appeal, the defendant cited the Bass case, arguing that the city code was invalid. The Gerardoi court rejected the holding of Bass, and found that the city code was valid.

Where does all this information leave us? The short answer is, in a mess. There are certainly things that are illegal: any switchblade with a blade 2″ or longer, or concealed possession of any knife with a fixed blade. Other knives may or may not be legal, depending on how and where you carry them, and where you are in California. The best this to do is to check local ordinances before deciding to carry a knife or any other weapon in California. Better yet, think twice before carrying a knife. As you know, some cops look for any excuse to hassle bikers.

[gorn5150]

No doubt laws in California are a nightmare. Here is the answer to your question. In California it is legal to carry a fixed blade knife on your person as long as it is not concealed. If it is concealed on your person it is illegal. I have no knowledge on the local laws in L.A. I have always avoided that part of the State like it has the plague.

I'm not sure I agree with your hassle bikers statement. It should be some cops look for any excuse to hassle people they think should be hassled. I never had that problem. I always made it clear to bikers and everyone else that I would never be a problem to them as long as they didn't break the law. If they broke the law I would deal with them. That included some high ranking angels that lived in my area.

[Paparock]

No doubt laws in California are a nightmare. Here is the answer to your question. In California it is legal to carry a fixed blade knife on your person as long as it is not concealed. If it is concealed on your person it is illegal. I have no knowledge on the local laws in L.A. I have always avoided that part of the State like it has the plague.

I'm not sure I agree with your hassle bikers statement. It should be some cops look for any excuse to hassle people they think should be hassled. I never had that problem. I always made it clear to bikers and everyone else that I would never be a problem to them as long as they didn't break the law. If they broke the law I would deal with them. That included some high ranking angels that lived in my area.

The biker part is not mine but from a lawyer's knife site on knife laws in California, sorry I did not make that clear, my bad.