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  • Kestryll
    Head Janitor
    • Oct 2005
    • 21579

    SELLING SEMI-AUTO RIFLES AFTER 12/21/16

    December 21st was the last day to DROS a semi-automatic rifle with a Bullet Button, Raddlock or similar magazine locking device which means it was also the last day to sell a semi-automatic rifle with ‘Features’.

    If you are trying to sell a semi-automatic rifle that has; a pistol grip, folding or collapsible stock, a flash hider and/or a magazine lock it is too late to sell it in that configuration.
    You must replace the flash hider with a muzzle brake or thread protector, replace the folding or collapsible stock with a fixed stock or modify it to prevent folding or collapsing and modify the grip to prevent wrapping your thumb around the pistol grip with something like the Monsterman Grip, the Exile Machine Backfin, fingrips.co or Solar tactical grip wraps. You can also replace the pistol grip with handles like the Exile machine Hammerhead grip or a stock like the Thorsden FRS-15.

    Rifles in the ‘featureless’ configuration can still be bought and sold as can stripped lower receivers.

    Stripped lower receivers must be built in to a ‘featureless’ configuration, ‘featureless’ rifles must stay in that configuration.

    These laws are complete and utter bullcrap, there’s no other way to say it. It is our belief that they are unconstitutional, illegal and should be declared invalid. We will continue to fight to oppose and overturn these bad laws but until we do, and we will, we are obligated to comply with them in the Marketplace.

    It is YOUR choice whether to comply with them or not and we cannot and will not be responsible for what you choose to do with a rifle you purchase from another member. To offer for sale, trade or purchase here rifles must be in legal configurations. After that it’s up to you to decide whether you will comply with these laws or not.

    I have never claimed to be either an attorney or an expert so I will leave this thread open for comment for a while in case I have missed anything or misstated anything.
    Last edited by Librarian; 09-21-2018, 7:17 PM.
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  • #2
    glockman19
    Banned
    • Jun 2007
    • 10486

    Rifles with evil features can be legally sold and transferred IF the 10 round Magazine is permanently attached.

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    • #3
      timmahhhh
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 1221

      Originally posted by glockman19
      Rifles with evil features can be legally sold and transferred IF the 10 round Magazine is permanently attached.
      Right, but the caveat is that a traditional bullet button is no longer good enough to be considered permanently attached. If I remember correctly they want you to have to break open the action to remove the magazine. The new bullet buttons require you to pull the rear takedown pin to drop the magazine.

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      • #4
        Clearwave
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        • Sep 2009
        • 164

        Patriot Mag Release



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        • #5
          djflash
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 945

          Another solution coming soon.

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          • #6
            SantaCabinetguy
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Feb 2011
            • 15136

            I'm practically shilling for Franklin Armory, but the DFM magazine is a another valid way to replace the bullet button on you AR and avoid registration.



            Franklin Armory's DFM magazine converts any AR into a 10 round, fixed magazine. Keep in mind installation will require removing & reinstalling your bolt catch.


            They are a Calguns vendor, NorCal based gun business, and have been helping to actively push back - as a manufacturer - against the CA DOJ.


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            • #7
              BLK RFL DIV
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2014
              • 691

              Originally posted by OCRebote78
              Optional only if you remove all "evil" features (featurless).
              Otherwise, you need to register prior to 1-11-18 or find yourself becoming a felon :/
              Besides featureless, use a Franklin Armory DFM mag or something similar to the DFM fixed mag (that does not involve the use of the bullet button).

              There are your two options in order to legally not register your rifles as AWs with the State. (Then we wait and see which which they confiscate first, the registered AWs or the nonregistered semi-auto centerfire rifles, or do they go after them all at once )

              But we are ALL waiting on the final language from the DOJ, anything else posted as a solution is simply a gimmick at this point.

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              • #8
                theme57
                Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 327

                Does this apply to rimfire as well?

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                • #9
                  djflash
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 945

                  Originally posted by theme57
                  Does this apply to rimfire as well?

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                  No, centerfire only.

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                  • #10
                    Maximus924
                    Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 456

                    this thread is about rifles, but for further clarity... rimfire pistols are included. Any handgun or rifle that required a bullet button to be purchased last year (PPT, most are not allowed as new purchases due to "safe handgun" list). I have a ruger charger pistol, and it will need to be a registered assault weapon next year.

                    you know....

                    because millions of banks are robbed each year buy crazy men with 22LR "assult weapons".......
                    Last edited by Maximus924; 12-29-2016, 8:21 PM.

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                    • #11
                      maztech323
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 2361

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                      • #12
                        cyborg
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2016
                        • 333

                        Correct me if I'm wrong, but one other "evil" feature in addition to the pistol grip, is a vertical foregrip under the barrel, correct?

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                        • #13
                          discgolfandshooting
                          Member
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 268

                          Featureless AR rifles will be sold in 2017. An honest gun store clerk should have told you this. If they sold you the AR saying it would not be available next year they were lying. Their only means to an non guilty conscious is if they claim that during their sales pitch of last year they meant that AR rifles in their current form won't be sold in 2017

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                          • #14
                            Quiet
                            retired Goon
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30239

                            SELLING SEMI-AUTO RIFLES AFTER 12/31/16

                            Since semi-auto centerfire rifles with "bullet button" style maglocks (and "features") are now considered assault weapons [PC 30515(b)], starting 01-01-2017, it is illegal (felony) to advertise them for sale while in CA. [PC 30600(a)]

                            Therefore, in order to not have your WTS ad deleted...

                            If you are posting a WTS ad for a semi-auto centerfire rifle, in the ad you must indicate if it is configured as a featureless semi-auto centerfire rifle or a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine or being sold as a manually operated rifle or being sold as disassembled parts.
                            ^If selling as a fixed magazine, must indicate how it is "fixed".
                            ~Examples... "10 round magazine fixed via ARMagLock", or "Franklin Armory DFM installed" or "10 round magazine welded in place".

                            If posting pics, use pictures that show it in compliance with the 2017 laws.
                            ^No assault weapon pics. (this includes it with "bullet button" installed)
                            Last edited by Librarian; 09-21-2018, 7:21 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Dagoguns
                              Junior Member
                              • Jan 2017
                              • 6

                              My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong. Is that if a dealer has a "Dangerous Weapons Lisence," they can legally purchase these weapons from citizens of kalifornia. So if that is correct, (and that is a question, from the best of my understanding,) can they be advertised on here as for sale only to "L.E.O.", Dealer's holding the above lisence, or not for California sales? Please advise. Thank you

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