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  • #31
    bobnfloyd
    Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 281

    I wonder if this is what he meant for 32 dollars at PA.



    and 33

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    • #32
      oogabooga
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 601

      I believe he meant this:



      Note that the aimpoint T-1/H-1/R-1 sits a little lower than the PA micro dot.
      ie. on the Larue mount that everyone has, The T-1+Larue mount makes 1/3 cowitness. The PA+Larue mount makes NO COWITNESS. The PA+PA Riser makes a 1/3 cowitness. I don't now what a T-1+PA Riser would make. Maybe absolute cowitness. Regardless, I've read that the PA Riser linked above has a release lever that isn't amazing, but it does the job.
      Last edited by oogabooga; 12-29-2010, 11:54 PM.

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      • #33
        Isaiah4Autumn
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 858

        here's some info

        never heard of a lower 1/2 co-witness but if you plan on doing that you might as well run an absolute co-witness which I don't think PA makes (but I could be wrong). Adding a spacer to a Laure Tall mount will make the iron sights disappear completely and at that point just use the lower 1/3 co-witness and throw away your irons; if your dot goes out you are screwed especially if your mount is non QD. Mine is on the way along with my Larue Tall mount I know that My avatar is Larue and I'm not just posting this to spam his products here (I have no affiliation). I think you should choose either or but do not try to achieve a "1/2 lower co-witness". Here's why I went with the tall mount but it's up to you...

        The LT660HK is designed to provide lower-1/3 cowitness for the HK416 (and other piston uppers with raised flat tops). On a conventional flat top, the irons are a slightly too high as seen thought the LT660HK.

        So, why Lower 1/3?
        We get asked this all the time. The short answer is...it was "by request".
        The long explanation is, it's really all about reducing clutter, and always being ready.

        Our Aimpoint and EOTech mounts are optimally designed for weapon systems that run with fixed sights or BUIS's deployed in the upright position. Since it takes time to deploy flip-up irons, we here at LaRue (and many instructors) recommend you operate with the irons upright when possible. Chances are, if you actually need your irons, you're getting pretty busy, with at least one threat occupying your attention. Keeping them up, but out of the way, is the best of both worlds. Our lower-1/3 design keeps those irons out of the way, until they are needed.

        Clutter in you field of view (FOV) isn't a good thing...with respect to the popular T1 micro, an upright rear sight can optically cover roughly 50% of the FOV. You can cover the front of an Aimpoint all you want, and still use the sight (keeping both eyes open), but covering the rear obstructs both target and reticle. (see the pic below).



        Years ago, I was at a carbine class where the student next to me was noticeably lagging-behind during the live-fire drills. The instructor asked what the issue was, he said he was having problems "precisely lining-up the irons with the EOTech reticle"....and the cluttered view made it "hard to find the target". He wasn't super slow, just slightly slower than everyone else. After we removed his irons, and he almost instantly shot faster when given an unobstructed view, and began using the reticle the way it was intended. It wasn't the last time I observed this behavior.

        "What about my cheek weld?"
        Well...cheek weld is one of the most important factors that provide successful results when precision shooting. Especially when using high-magnification...We make several different mount heights for rifle scopes that keep that issue in mind.

        That being said, cheek weld with a non-magnified red-dot optic (like an Aimpoint or an EOTech) is marginally more important than proper cheek weld with an aiming laser. Generally speaking, if you see the reticle, you're operational. Most people find the cheek weld with our mounts for these optics to be more than adequate, and the shift to the lower 1/3 for irons is minimal and intuitive.

        Keep in mind, Aimpoints and EOTechs are intended to be used while in a variety of firing positions, many of which have little, or no cheek weld. If you are concentrating on cheek weld too much, you are not using the technology to it's fullest.

        Even when you use the lower-1/3 method, the dot can be used "centered" in the tube. When both irons and dot zeroed, you can hit any target you can put the dot on, anywhere in the viewing area...independent of the irons. When you shift your eye position to the irons, the dot will follow (unless you turn the unit off).



        As you move your head, and keep the weapon steady, the dot will not move. That's the beauty of a red dot (like Aimpoints and EOTechs)

        The red dot and the Irons work completely independent of each other. It's a common misconception that you need to center the red dot and the irons in the viewing area.

        You can verify the zero of your red dot by lining it up with your irons (or vice-versa)...but as long as you can see the dot anywhere in the viewing area, you're ready to take a shot. I know, I know, putting the dot nearer to the edge of the viewing area causes some distortion.

        Another illustration that reinforces the advantages of a 1/1 red dot (like this Aimpoint CompM4)
        If you can see it, you can hit it.

        Last edited by Isaiah4Autumn; 12-29-2010, 11:21 PM.

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        • #34
          oogabooga
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 601

          Originally posted by Isaiah4Autumn
          never heard of a lower 1/2 co-witness but if you plan on doing that you might as well run an absolute co-witness which I don't think PA makes (but I could be wrong).
          My apologies. I meant absolute cowitness. I was a little, err, impaired when I posted that, and in my mind, "1/2" was just half way down the sight. I'll correct that.

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          • #35
            only10x
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 2603

            good info Isaiah thanks!
            Shoot Smallbore? Check out LAR&R in S. El Monte

            For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
            -Thomas Jefferson

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            • #36
              till44
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 2604

              Thanks for the heads up, they still have a few.

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              • #37
                crackerman
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 2441

                I jumped on the deal so you should all go and get yours
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                • #38
                  iano1
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 837

                  Got the last one!

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                  • #39
                    iano1
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 837

                    J/k about the last one... But I got one

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                    • #40
                      Isaiah4Autumn
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 858

                      Originally posted by iano1
                      Got the last one!
                      Originally posted by iano1
                      J/k about the last one... But I got one
                      I was about to say...good thing you confessed. I called them yesterday and they still had 600 left...such a great deal

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                      • #41
                        only10x
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2603

                        too bad I dont need one
                        Shoot Smallbore? Check out LAR&R in S. El Monte

                        For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
                        -Thomas Jefferson

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                        • #42
                          BiggSean
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 597

                          Ugh, I was going to buy an Eotech clone for my GSG-5 ($100), but this seems like it's too good to pass up.

                          What do you guys think? Over-kill on a .22 plinker? haha

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                          • #43
                            The Bacon Eater
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 2332

                            I would buy one, but dont need another optic now. Great deal though
                            Calguns member formerly known as Long Beach

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                            • #44
                              iano1
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 837

                              Originally posted by BiggSean
                              Ugh, I was going to buy an Eotech clone for my GSG-5 ($100), but this seems like it's too good to pass up.

                              What do you guys think? Over-kill on a .22 plinker? haha
                              Of coarse not- because you can always transfer it to something else later if you like

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                              • #45
                                kahai808
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 745

                                i gotta get one.
                                Originally posted by OutlawDon
                                The mission will drive the equipment choice. Choose wisely.

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