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[lil' gunsim]

THought the bill mean't for handgun ammo, not rifle and shotgun ammo...

[AmmoSphere]

@ wwwired

Thanks for the update

[ALBERT]

the law only applies to handgun ammunition and does Not limit you to one box a month!!!!

[orangeusa]

Full text of AB962 is enclosed in the link below. There is no limit of 1 box per month - that was stricken from the law in senate / assembly. Were you told otherwise or is there an amendment to this bill which tells you that?

Also, the law only affects sales in-state (BY DEFINITION - a State law and would violate inter-state trade if affects other states) to CA residents, so am surprised that your out of CA sales would be affected as well.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/..._enrolled.html

BTW - IMHO, the McDonald SCOTUS decision in late June will render this unconstitutional.

I wish you good luck, and hope you still have a chance to continue in CA.

[AmmoSphere]

Full text of AB962 is enclosed in the link below. There is no limit of 1 box per month - that was stricken from the law in senate / assembly. Were you told otherwise or is there an amendment to this bill which tells you that?

Also, the law only affects sales in-state (BY DEFINITION - a State law and would violate inter-state trade if affects other states) to CA residents, so am surprised that your out of CA sales would be affected as well.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/..._enrolled.html

BTW - IMHO, the McDonald SCOTUS decision in late June will render this unconstitutional.

I wish you good luck, and hope you still have a chance to continue in CA.

Hey Orange,

When we started fighting the bill that was one of the points that was being fought, I'm not sure now if it was included in the bill or not, whether it was or not makes little difference. The bill still says that you need to be storefront and you need to fingerprint your customers. This business as far as I can see makes sense for 2 groups of folks: 1) Folks who want to keep AmmoSphere an online enterprise in another state 2) Folks who already have a store front and want to grow there business with my site or redirects.

[wildhawker]

AB962 cannot survive a Federal challenge.

How about sharing plan B with us. I know I'll help fight, but I want to know all about it real quick.

It's been discussed at length before.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3197663&postcount=35

All,

The regulation of internet delivery of ammunition as drafted in AB-962 is preeempted by the Federal Aviation Administration Authorization Act of 1994.

AB-962 Regulates The Routes and Services of Common CarriersRegulation of the Routes or Services of Common Carriers is Federally Preempted

(1) General rule. Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3), a State, political subdivision of a State, or political authority of 2 or more States may not enact or enforce a law, regulation, or other provision having the force and effect of law related to a price, route, or service of any motor carrier (other than a carrier affiliated with a direct air carrier covered by section 41713 (b)(4)) or any motor private carrier, broker, or freight forwarder with respect to the transportation of property.

The Supreme Court Unanimously Ruled That Laws That Regulate Delivery By Common Carriers Are Preempted

In 2008, the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that a Maine statute that placed limitations on the delivery of cigarettes was preempted by the FAAAA. That statute is very similar to the restrictions on delivery found in AB-962 .

In Rowe v. New Hampshire Motor Transport Association, 128 S. Ct. 989 (2008) the court found that a requirement for shippers to choose a special shipment method and that a carrier would be deemed to have knowledge that shipment had prohibited tobacco products in it were both preempted by Federal Law. Maine attempted to defend the regulation by claiming that there was a public health exception to the FAAAA. The court replied to that argument as follows:

Bottom line - if you have a successful mail order ammo business, you can plan on operating long after February of 2011.

-Brandon Combs

Hey Orange,

When we started fighting the bill that was one of the points that was being fought, I'm not sure now if it was included in the bill or not, whether it was or not makes little difference. The bill still says that you need to be storefront and you need to fingerprint your customers. This business as far as I can see makes sense for 2 groups of folks: 1) Folks who want to keep AmmoSphere an online enterprise in another state 2) Folks who already have a store front and want to grow there business with my site or redirects.

[bwiese]

You will NOT be limited to 1/2 boxes of ammo retail.

Why are you spreading FUD?

[wildhawker]

Who are you talking to?

Probably you. See below.

We are located in California and recently a Bill "AB962" passed in the California legislature. It says that you can't sell ammunition over the internet and it limits how much ammunition you can sell in the state of California to 1 box a month.

-AmmoSphere

[AmmoSphere]

Probably you. See below.



It's hard enough to combat the "usual suspects" who promulgate incorrect info/FUD; it would be appreciated if you ceased doing so here.

Originally they were going to put a limit on how much ammo you could sell see: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=158183 I'm sure you can remember this. I was unaware that they decided to change that provision from the bill. At the end of the day you need to have a storefront, fingerprint customers, and since we are an online only business that option doesn't make sense for us.

So this business makes sense for someone who A) Already has a store front or B) is going to continue to run this business online.

[paul0660]

Doesn't Santa Cruz need a storefront FFL/ammo dealer, especially one who is now aware of what 962 means?

[AmmoSphere]

Doesn't Santa Cruz need a storefront FFL/ammo dealer, especially one who is now aware of what 962 means?

Come Feb 2011...

[Peter W Bush]

1. How much are you asking for it
2. Where is your warehouse? What city?

[AmmoSphere]

1. How much are you asking for it
2. Where is your warehouse? What city?

The below auction should answer everyone's questions about the business:

http://flippa.com/auctions/89485/Profitable-Established-Online-Ammunition-Retailer-with-Organic

[killshot44]

All the big internet ammo sellers will simply require a copy or scan of your driver's license and your fingerprint for handgun-caliber ammo. I don't see the new regs (if they aren't repealed) as the sky is falling in.

No offense to the OP but......a 72% profit-margin on ammo? Sheesh.

Maybe I'm missing something but you're trying to sell a biz that you think will be out of business come February next year?

[AmmoSphere]

All the big internet ammo sellers will simply require a copy or scan of your driver's license and your fingerprint for handgun-caliber ammo. I don't see the new regs (if they aren't repealed) as the sky is falling in.

No offense to the OP but......a 72% profit-margin on ammo? Sheesh.

Maybe I'm missing something but you're trying to sell a biz that you think will be out of business come February next year?

1) The new regulation affecting my business is AB962 you can read about it here: http://www.ab962.org/ReadAB962.aspx

2) I hope I'm not the first one to tell you this, but that's capitalism. The market drives the price.

3) You are missing something, read AB962. The law makes it illegal in the state of California to sell ammo online effective Feb 2011...