NorCal ranges past 600 yards?

[shooterx10]

Is there a range out in Hollister? This year, the PRS had a qualifier match there: https://www.precisionrifleseries.com...ier-hollister/

Avenal and Hollister are two cities 120 plus miles apart. Was the location on the PRS website incorrect?

[fish45]

San Francisco and Sac are both more "Central California" than "Northern California" but, most people consider them both "Northern" due to populations instead of geography.

People from LA tend to think of the state as norcal and socal. I think of the state as norcal, socal, the bay area, and the central valley. I personally think thats the most geographically and politically accurate.

Both SF and Sac are north of the literal middle, but I wouldn't call them northern California. I'd call them the bay area and central valley respectively.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Definitely not Northern California. Anywhere north of LA is not northern California.

Sac Valley is the only range that has what you're looking for. You're going to have to look for a new spot on BLM land if sac valley doesn't work for you.

San Francisco and Sac are both more "Central California" than "Northern California" but, most people consider them both "Northern" due to populations instead of geography.

Bear in mind that it's a game of perception more than one of accuracy. For instance, 20-something years ago, I was speaking with the CEO of an international corporation with headquarters in Honolulu and Los Angeles who definitively declared that anywhere north of the Grapevine was "Northern California." Let's just say that my efforts to set him straight fell on deaf ears.

Thus, it depends on how the OP is defining "NorCal" and what the criterion/criteria is/are vis a vis 'accessibility.' (Most "Northern Californians" tend to draw the line north of Sacramento, somewhere around Marysville/Yuba City; but, then 'extend' it to include Marin County. Otherwise, you're into "Central California." It all depends on your point of reference.)

Here's how the CLETS User Group defines it (pretty close to public perceptions)...



For instance... TEHAMA SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION in Red Bluff...

Tehama Shooters Association is a private member supported Non-Profit 501(c)(7) shooting club with a focus on youth shooting sports. Through membership dues we are able to provide our membership with several shooting disciplines. These disciplines include; Trap & Skeet, Pistol, Rimfire and Centerfire. The Centerfire range has a short-range from 100-500 yards and a long-range of 600 yard and 1,000 yards where many benchrest shooters compete twice a month and on special events. Our youth shooters include 4H Shooting Sports and Claybusters.

Tehama Shooters Association has a monthly Service Rifle match where you can show off your skills with a military style rifle with Iron sights.

Show off your long-range precision shooting skills in one of our scheduled Long-Range Benchrest matches.

But, as they indicate, it's a private members club; thus, requiring an invite and accompaniment by an existing member.

[fish45]

Bear in mind that it's a game of perception more than one of accuracy. For instance, 20-something years ago, I was speaking with the CEO of an international corporation with headquarters in Honolulu and Los Angeles who definitively declared that anywhere north of the Grapevine was "Northern California." Let's just say that my efforts to set him straight fell on deaf ears.

Thus, it depends on how the OP is defining "NorCal" and what the criterion/criteria is/are vis a vis 'accessibility.' (Most "Northern Californians" tend to draw the line north of Sacramento, somewhere around Marysville/Yuba City; but, then 'extend' it to include Marin County. Otherwise, you're into "Central California." It all depends on your point of reference.)

Here's how the CLETS User Group defines it (pretty close to public perceptions)...



For instance... TEHAMA SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION in Red Bluff...



But, as they indicate, it's a private members club; thus, requiring an invite and accompaniment by an existing member.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I'm not and wasn't arguing that Coalinga is part of Northern California. What I was pointing out is that everyone's definition of what constitutes North, Central, South, etc. California is as much a matter of perception as it is defined delineation and demarcation.

Take the Spanish Period. You had Baja (lower) and Alta (upper) California. Baja's northernmost reach was San Diego, which is where Alta California began, with the northernmost territory being a source of some debate. During the Mexican Period, the northern 'border' expanded; but, how far it actually 'reached' is, again, subject to some debate. By the time of the mountain men's arrival and the Bear Flag Revolt, the Oregon/California border had pretty much been established by treaty. However, the 'debate' revolves around how much of a 'presence' and, thus, 'control' either the Spanish or the Mexican governments had over that area.

Thus, "Northern California," at one time, did begin in San Diego. Even by the time of the State Constitutional Convention, there was debate over whether to include what most people think of today as "South California" as part of the State. In fact, in a very real sense, the boundaries of California, as we know them today, were, arguably, more 'accident' or 'happenstance' than design. (It's an interesting history to look into.)

What constitutes what portion of the State has remained a subject of debate and contention. It's something which has been a major bone of contention with regard to proposals for splitting the State. What criterion or criteria is going to be used to create the boundaries? Economic, cultural, physical, etc. or some combination?

Thus, there is some 'truth' to...

San Francisco and Sac are both more "Central California" than "Northern California" but, most people consider them both "Northern" due to populations instead of geography.

But, again, it becomes a matter of perception. I tend to think of California along the lines of the map I provided above from the CLETS User Group. However, if you watch/listen to the news, there exists a wide array of 'boundaries' which are used. Let's just say that those who live in Northern California are constantly driven nuts by the Bay Area being referenced as Northern California. In fact, back in the mid-90's, Assemblyman Statham was forced to 'redraw' his proposed division of California to garner support from the counties and eventually came up with something close to the map above dividing the State into three parts.

It's just like your reference to Coalinga being in "the bottom half of the State." Who made that official? By the standards/perceptions of many, it is in Central California. (In fact, it is almost dead center and a little West in 'Central California' according to the map provided above.) Might that suggest that even you are operating based on perception, something you claim to be a 'poor excuse?'

Just something to think about.

[ar15barrels]

It's just like your reference to Coalinga being in "the bottom half of the State." Who made that official?

Probably California DOT.
They stuck a couple trees at the diving point between north and south so you know when you are crossing from one side to the other.

https://www.mercedcountyevents.com/steve-newvine-1/on-the-99-the-palm-meets-the-pine

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Probably California DOT.
They stuck a couple trees at the diving point between north and south so you know when you are crossing from one side to the other.
https://www.mercedcountyevents.com/s...meets-the-pine

Well, if we disregard - "everyone's definition of what constitutes North, Central, South, etc. California is as much a matter of perception as it is defined delineation and demarcation" - then the official center of California is... Exact Center of California: North Fork...



Again, the point is that, for many, including a lot of people on this site and throughout the history of the State, "California" isn't defined by the artificial boundaries we currently have. In fact, one of the things we need to remember is that Alta (Upper or North) California once encompassed a considerable portion of the Western United States...



Even the three 'divisions' based on population and culture that I shared earlier is an artificial construct and, in particular, temporary in the grand scheme of things; including being 'official.' Remember, there have been 220+ attempts to split the State.

So... again... "everyone's definition of what constitutes North, Central, South, etc. California is as much a matter of perception as it is defined delineation and demarcation"

[CSACANNONEER]

Probably California DOT.
They stuck a couple trees at the diving point between north and south so you know when you are crossing from one side to the other.
https://www.mercedcountyevents.com/s...meets-the-pine

I guess I'll be taking 99 on my next trip to Sac, Tahoe, Reno, etc. It's longer but more scenic than the boring 5.

[CSACANNONEER]

Well, if we disregard - "everyone's definition of what constitutes North, Central, South, etc. California is as much a matter of perception as it is defined delineation and demarcation" - then the official center of California is... Exact Center of California: North Fork...

Be careful visiting North Fork. I heard there's a sod buster living near there with a fancy rifle.

[kcstott]

This is like arguing over the southern states civil war era, that damn Mason Dixon line way the hell north at the base of Pennsylvania. Calling anything that's 3/4's of the way north a "Southern" state is a bid ridiculous.

And No CSA I most certainly am not trying to pick a fight.

[CSACANNONEER]

This is like arguing over the southern states civil war era, that damn Mason Dixon line way the hell north at the base of Pennsylvania. Calling anything that's 3/4's of the way north a "Southern" state is a bid ridiculous.

And No CSA I most certainly am not trying to pick a fight.

Isn't it cool that so many land surveyors have been immortalized in this country? Mason, Dixon, Lewis, Clark, etc? Hell, this country even has a big rock monument of 3 land surveyors and some other guy that was carved on the side of a cliff in South Dakota.