224 Valkyrie, why not more interest?

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REAL Q: What is the best short action cartridge for ELR

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[kriller134]

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[kriller134]

[sigstroker]

Yes, but a short action is just going to be a stepping stone for OP anyway. He can't even build an optimal SAUM or 6.5 PRC on it. If he hasn't bought an action or rifle yet, his best move might be to trade his short action chassis for a long action chassis.

[9mmrevolver]

I have one. Not impressed. I chased finding a good load for months. Got 1 powder/bullet combo to about an inch at 100. The drop is more than I expected also. Haven’t been past 300 with it mainly becuase I have a bad taste in my mouth over it.

Gotta agree with Randall. 338 is where it’s at for long range. 1k to 1 mile. Mine is a standard lapua but would have went ackley had I known it was an option. I love the lapua.

[ar15barrels]

Yes, I know about the controversy over Kiff, some people hate him, others stick with him...the only reason I feel comfortable with them is knowing that Redding uses their reamers. This is not to say that there are not other actions and reamers that will match or even work correctly together, for those that do want to chamber their own. Redding are commonly available most everywhere, and I have a set for the 6.5 Creedmoor, but not a deal breaker to change calipers for me.

Also, I now realize is talking this out that what I really wanted to understand is how I could reuse my short action AICS chassis with something appropriate to shoot ELR. At least I don't have plans to shoot 100-200, mainly because what I have in 308 semi-auto works fine, I could even convert one to 6.5 Creedmoor semi-auto if I wanted. I realize I wouldn't get 2000 yards out of it, but I wouldn't use it for that, only punching paper or hunting, and I don't have much time to hunt, so buying meat is more practical.

Primarily I would like to reuse a short action AICS chassis I have already. If I had to buy another stock/chassis, I might go with 338M. In realizing this short/long action dilemma, maybe more what I'm pondering is which of the following caliper would be best choice for ELR?

6.5 SAUM
7 SAUM
7 WSM

Surely one of those would be better than the 224 Valkyrie, other than recoil.

Any other recomendations of a short action caliper for ELR?

Any short action cartridge will work fine for 100-200 yards.
There is no short action cartridge that is a legitimately good 2000yd rifle.

There are many that will work poorly that people use anyways just like how people use harbor freight tools or bald tires.
Just because something works does NOT mean it works GOOD.

The SAUMs and WSMs will have very short (700-900 rounds peak accuracy) barrel life but would certainly be better than a 224 valkrie if you are hell bent on wasting money to try to save money.

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[ShaunBrady]

I think it was a Typer's Hide video that started this 22 for ELR thread and it's spillover into the neighboring threads.

My take on the Typer's Hide is it's an echo chamber for lil frankie and his paid vendors. He's behind the curve on most things ELR and reinvents things that a few years earlier he claimed couldn't be done or were false. You just don't see many serious people posting there for long because they threaten frankie.

[ShaunBrady]

Any short action cartridge will work fine for 100-200 yards.
There is no short action cartridge that is a legitimately good 2000yd rifle.

The SAUMs and WSMs will have very short (700-900 rounds peak accuracy) barrel life but would certainly be better than a 224 valkrie if you are hell bent on wasting money to try to save money.

700-900 rounds is a pretty good barrel life in my current world. My take on barrel life is if you hold everything else constant, it might go half of what is popular perception or half again that. By the time a barrel is opening up at 100 yards, it's been done for ELR for awhile. A worn throat that doesn't engrave consistently is death to BC consistency, but it may still group at 100 yards. The velocity spreads also open up before the 100 yard accuracy does. After you've been through the cycle a few times you'll also pick up on when the no calls or wounded ducks start increasing.

A 7wsm went 7/10 and won the second URSA match. That score went unmatched for years.

I watched a straight 284 go 3/10 twice on the URSA range on a target that was ~60% of the URSA target size in after lunch 6-10 mph winds.

I've used a 7/300wsm to practice with at 2200 yards for years. On the same course, it consistently runs awkwardly close to guns and shooters that have won the 3k match. The first barrel went 900 rounds with serious abuse and I'm retiring the current one at 1200.

If you have regular access to a suitable range, a practice rifle isn't a bad idea. A second ELR rifle in general isn't a bad idea because it'll give you something to shoot while you're rebarreling the other one. There are arguments for 2 similar rifles, but I prefer to stager the components. The wsm uses H4831 which seems to be easier to find more often than H4350 or H1000. I also think that making practice realistic, but more challenging than match conditions is a good idea.

[ShaunBrady]

Yes, ultimately this may be the best thing to do and just get another barrel and bolt and just go with Lapua 338M.

So you're going to buy a lathe and mill, tool them up, build a shop, and learn how to use them to build precision rifles, just to build 1 rifle?

[ar15barrels]

So you're going to buy a lathe and mill, tool them up, build a shop, and learn how to use them to build precision rifles, just to build 1 rifle?

He can't pass a background check so he needs to the shop to build his own receiver.

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[ShaunBrady]

My intended point was save the parts. After the first one, it's unlikely you'll only build 1 rifle. It's a slippery slope and factory barrels really lose their luster after your first custom.

I'll be at Lynn's match. Sunday only though. I'm already qualified for the 3K. 3 times, twice with a factory 300 PRC RPR. The gun I'll actually shoot will be a recent build on an action I bought cheap 10 years ago when I was just starting hobby precision rifle gunsmithing.