Accurizing Packages

[DTran333]

I looked around and felt like this was the best place to post this question since it's specific to long range shooting. Are there any good gunsmiths in SoCal that specialize in building precision rifles or offer accurizing/blueprinting packages on a rifle you already own? I know there are places I could send a rifle out to but I prefer to support local businesses, if possible. I'm wanting to build a precision rifle from a Remington 700. Thanks in advance.

[Fjold]

Check with Randall (ar15 barrels here on CG) he may know someone.

[DTran333]

Check with Randall (ar15 barrels here on CG) he may know someone.

Thanks! I'll get in touch with him.

[Fjold]

Thanks! I'll get in touch with him.

I was messing with you. Randall can set up your gun to shoot as far as you want. Just PM him and you can sit in his shop watch him do it.

[Mk.32]

I looked around and felt like this was the best place to post this question since it's specific to long range shooting. Are there any good gunsmiths in SoCal that specialize in building precision rifles or offer accurizing/blueprinting packages on a rifle you already own? I know there are places I could send a rifle out to but I prefer to support local businesses, if possible. I'm wanting to build a precision rifle from a Remington 700. Thanks in advance.

I know shipping a rifle sucks.

But honestly https://www.longriflesinc.com/ is the best in the business for R700 work imho.

[DTran333]

I know shipping a rifle sucks.

But honestly https://www.longriflesinc.com/ is the best in the business for R700 work imho.

Cool. Thanks, bud! I'll check it out.

[bsumoba]

The single best thing you can do to your remington is simply a new custom barrel by a smith and the 2nd best thing is probably a trigger.

Doing "accurizing" packages seems a little gimicky in that the true accuracy of most guns lies in quality of the barrel and the quality of the shooter or the shooter's ability to consistently pull the trigger the correct way. My opinion on upgrading or truing 700 actions is to pass on it and dump the money on the barrel, trigger, and scope instead OR just get a custom action in the 800-900 dollar range.

That being said, AR15Barrels is one guy and another one is Marc @ Spartan Rifles out of San Jose, CA. Spartan is doing work for a number of ranked PRS shooters and some F-Class and Benchrest guys. The most recent shooter/customer accomplishments are long range BR national record group sizes and a PRS national match win.

[DTran333]

The single best thing you can do to your remington is simply a new custom barrel by a smith and the 2nd best thing is probably a trigger.

Doing "accurizing" packages seems a little gimicky in that the true accuracy of most guns lies in quality of the barrel and the quality of the shooter or the shooter's ability to consistently pull the trigger the correct way. My opinion on upgrading or truing 700 actions is to pass on it and dump the money on the barrel, trigger, and scope instead OR just get a custom action in the 800-900 dollar range.

That being said, AR15Barrels is one guy and another one is Marc @ Spartan Rifles out of San Jose, CA. Spartan is doing work for a number of ranked PRS shooters and some F-Class and Benchrest guys. The most recent shooter/customer accomplishments are long range BR national record group sizes and a PRS national match win.

Thanks, I'll check them out.

[broadside]

Doing "accurizing" packages seems a little gimicky in that the true accuracy of most guns lies in quality of the barrel and the quality of the shooter or the shooter's ability to consistently pull the trigger the correct way. My opinion on upgrading or truing 700 actions is to pass on it and dump the money on the barrel, trigger, and scope instead OR just get a custom action in the 800-900 dollar range.

Mass produced actions can never get the same 100% consistent lockup of the bolt lugs and thus never 100% consistent chamber pressures and case fitment into the chamber. For truing and timing the action is the only way to make sure that is the best possible fit for consistency.

But, and its a big but, it really only matters when you can out shoot the rifle in its current form as well as the custom loaded super precise ammo to take advantage of the action consistency.

So its not a gimmick but it sure is low on the list of things you can do to improve your game IMHO

[RandyD]

The last rifle that I put together, instead of buying a Remington action and having it trued, I bought a Stiller Predator action that was already trued. It is possible to buy a Remington action that is so out of true that it cannot be trued.

[5gnut]

I know you dont want to ship, but DMR LLC in Vegas one to look at.
Great customer service and incredibly fast turn around.

https://www.dmr-llc.com

[bsumoba]

Mass produced actions can never get the same 100% consistent lockup of the bolt lugs and thus never 100% consistent chamber pressures and case fitment into the chamber. For truing and timing the action is the only way to make sure that is the best possible fit for consistency.

But, and its a big but, it really only matters when you can out shoot the rifle in its current form as well as the custom loaded super precise ammo to take advantage of the action consistency.

So its not a gimmick but it sure is low on the list of things you can do to improve your game IMHO

I guess the question more is...if you "true up" a R700 action, would you see improvements in accuracy given no change to the barrel? My gut instinct is no. But, if you change out the barrel on a factory rifle you should see very noticeable improvements to the accuracy of the rifle.

The last rifle that I put together, instead of buying a Remington action and having it trued, I bought a Stiller Predator action that was already trued. It is possible to buy a Remington action that is so out of true that it cannot be trued.

This is another reason why it doesn't make sense to true an action is because the truing may not be possible or the truing does absolutely nothing to improve the gun's ability to shoot better groups.

[broadside]

I guess the question more is...if you "true up" a R700 action, would you see improvements in accuracy given no change to the barrel? My gut instinct is no. But, if you change out the barrel on a factory rifle you should see very noticeable improvements to the accuracy of the rifle.



This is another reason why it doesn't make sense to true an action is because the truing may not be possible or the truing does absolutely nothing to improve the gun's ability to shoot better groups.

If your ammo is tuned to the barrel then yes it can improve the precision if you are 100% consistent shooting it. The reason is that truing the action sets and holds the cartridge in the chamber much more consistently and thus your pressures and velocities are more consistent resulting in more precise shots.

But again, unless you are shooting 100% consistent and the load is tuned to the rifle then truing the action is low on the list of upgrades IMHO.

To me, truing is best left to the bench rest shooters or those that just want to claim they have done it to a production/semi-custom rifle. Ground up builds with truly custom actions are already trued and timed, that is part of the package/price. But to do it to a hunting rifle or PRS rifle even, is not necessary until you can out shoot it as-is

[jimmykan]

I guess the question more is...if you "true up" a R700 action, would you see improvements in accuracy given no change to the barrel? My gut instinct is no. But, if you change out the barrel on a factory rifle you should see very noticeable improvements to the accuracy of the rifle.



This is another reason why it doesn't make sense to true an action is because the truing may not be possible or the truing does absolutely nothing to improve the gun's ability to shoot better groups.

If your ammo is tuned to the barrel then yes it can improve the precision if you are 100% consistent shooting it. The reason is that truing the action sets and holds the cartridge in the chamber much more consistently and thus your pressures and velocities are more consistent resulting in more precise shots.

But again, unless you are shooting 100% consistent and the load is tuned to the rifle then truing the action is low on the list of upgrades IMHO.

To me, truing is best left to the bench rest shooters or those that just want to claim they have done it to a production/semi-custom rifle. Ground up builds with truly custom actions are already trued and timed, that is part of the package/price. But to do it to a hunting rifle or PRS rifle even, is not necessary until you can out shoot it as-is

But how would you true up the barrel tenon threads and still use the old barrel?

Receiver truing uses the bolt raceway axis as the datum. Then the bolt lugs, receiver front face, and barrel tenon threads are re-cut to that axis.

Cutting the barrel tenon threads leaves the threads oversized, the old barrel would be a sloppy fit in the new threads.

[Lucky Scott]

Randall did mine, he did so many different things that all helped and when added together make for a great rifle.