Newbie to long range, a question about “chassis”

[Citadelgrad87]

[kcstott]

It all depends on what you want to do with the rifle. I see nearly zero Chassis' on the firing line with SMGC on Pendleton, But I do see a bunch of chassis' on the PRS circuit.

To me It's a waste of money for the average to even the mid level competitive shooter. Like I said you will not see many in F Class, but the Pretend you're a Real Sniper circuit is a gear queer fest.

In reality a good chassis will give you a near perfect bed for the action out of the box, the adjustability the stocks offers is a good thing if the time to properly set up the rifle is taken. rail attachment points? well thats up to you. But it does make it nice to but a bipod where you need it to be. and be able to change it down the road.

As far as Accuracy goes. No, Not if you take the proper time to set up your current stock to fit you. There is one advantage well maybe two to a chassis.
1. They will never swell, warp, or crack from wet weather (but neither will a good fiberglass stock)
2. if you need to run a hog saddle a chassis is a better platform but thats changing now to with bipod mounts bolted to the bottom of the stock

[smoothy8500]

To me It's a waste of money for the average to even the mid level competitive shooter. Like I said you will not see many in F Class, but the Pretend you're a Real Sniper circuit is a gear queer fest.

Oh dear, the tone of your response is quite outside of your regularly congenial personality. Perhaps you should consider adding prunes to your breakfast again....

I agree there is no need in midrange or lonrange matches. It makes sense in PRS since the weight factors in while moving/running up and down hills to your next stage.

For prone sling shooting I really would like the "tube guns" from Gary Eliseo. Fully adjustable and light weight. I guess a few PRS and F-class shooters are using his chassis:

http://www.gotxring.com/long-range-prone/

[kcstott]

Oh dear, the tone of your response is quite outside of your regularly congenial personality. Perhaps you should consider adding prunes to your breakfast again....

I agree there is no need in midrange or lonrange matches. It makes sense in PRS since the weight factors in while moving/running up and down hills to your next stage.

For prone sling shooting I really would like the "tube guns" from Gary Eliseo. Fully adjustable and light weight. I guess a few PRS and F-class shooters are using his chassis:
http://www.gotxring.com/long-range-prone/

I resemble that remark buddy. IDK we run into all kinds on Pendleton, the Marine sniper guys are cool and the PRS clinic they put together was damn good.
I’m just not a fan of a few individuals that not only run insanely expensive rifles but have to tell you about how much they spent as well, and I mean the guys that tell you without asking. These are also the same individuals that were digging ditches in the berms with their misses these guys are not regulars to 103 or 117 to be clear. 99% of the people that show up are great people, there are just two that show up from time to time that beat their chest bragging about how fat their wallet is. One guy has a bad day shooting so he goes home and dumps $2K on junk he thinks he needs to shoot better when you and I both know what he need is trigger time and quit blaming his gear.
Well I bragged once about how fat my wallet was but that was when I took a new job so yeah. I’m just not a fan of people turning a sport into a money sport. Insert Applied Ballistics team reference. When you show up to a shoot and the top team has $200K of gear on the line. Yeah it just takes the fun out of it.

That said thanks for that link that’s a nice chassis and a damn good price

[bsumoba]

I’m just not a fan of a few individuals that not only run insanely expensive rifles but have to tell you about how much they spent as well, and I mean the guys that tell you without asking.....One guy has a bad day shooting so he goes home and dumps $2K on junk he thinks he needs to shoot better when you and I both know what he need is trigger time and quit blaming his gear.

Well, they have to get the latest muzzle break on the market because it will reduce recoil by 3% and the muzzle blast is 5 degrees different than others, the latest stock is 2 ounces lighter and has an integrated bullet holder for the 2 rounds on the side of the chassis, and they have to re-chamber to 6XC because its the latest and greatest that the PRS top shooters are using

I’m just not a fan of people turning a sport into a money sport. Insert Applied Ballistics team reference. When you show up to a shoot and the top team has $200K of gear on the line. Yeah it just takes the fun out of it.

Yes, the sport has gotten to that point and I had a feeling it would. The technology is getting so much better, it was inevitable that it would spill into the long range game. And tech is expensive.

We see that in F-Class right now, but at the end of the day, F-Class is still about reading the wind. My biggest expense is really in barrels...

That said thanks for that link that’s a nice chassis and a damn good price

I have not seen his F-Open chassis on the line at all. Not a single one... I am not a fan of the barrel clamp and floating action.

[smoothy8500]

...but at the end of the day, F-Class is still about reading the wind. My biggest expense is really in barrels...

I guess to get back to the original question on chassis, I think a lot of "shooters" see the tech stuff and want to emulate what they see in PRS. A good, properly adjusted stock is the foundation to skillful shooting, whether midrange or longrange.

[SmokeTheClay]

If you're going to be shooting from a bench and also from prone, an adjustable stock and cheek piece are extremely handy. My eye position is different from prone vs bench, so without the option to adjust easily I cannot see through my scope.

[morthrane]

I am not a fan of the barrel clamp and floating action.

Why, out of curiousity?

[smoothy8500]

I am not a fan of the barrel clamp and floating action.

They're not that popular, but they are out there. Simon here got over-all high F-class at the recent 29 Palms Marine Corps LR match

https://www.smgunclub.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/IMG_3619-768x432.jpg

more detail:

https://www.smgunclub.org/59th-annual-high-desert-lr-hpr-match-at-mcagcc-29-palms-mtu/

[kcstott]

Simon is also running on the ragged edge of the weight limit on his rifle, I don't know the original progression to get where he's at today with his rifle, he’s made further changes to remove the pistol grip. Simon is shooting a rail gun in F class He just doesn't realize it yet.

[bsumoba]

Why, out of curiousity?

I change barrels out often and a barrel clamp system means I have multiple processes to remove a barrel: remove barrel from barrel clamp and then vice the barrel up and remove the action from the barrel.

They're not that popular, but they are out there. Simon here got over-all high F-class at the recent 29 Palms Marine Corps LR match

https://www.smgunclub.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/IMG_3619-768x432.jpg

more detail:
https://www.smgunclub.org/59th-annua...-29-palms-mtu/

I know Simon...well, I shot with him at the CA State Championships in Coalinga this past Novemeber https://www.smgunclub.org/coalinga-l...november-2017/. He is shooting T/R and I know the person that makes that stock. He shoots F-Open and runs a super heavy 34-35" barrel, but he can do it because the stock is so light (carbon fiber).

When set up properly, the gun tracks incredibly well due to its design. I did see an instance where his gun (Simon) was doing something funky harmonically. He removed a piece off his barrel and all was well after that.
It looked like a sort of extension to get the bipod further forward.

If I had to choose between Elisio's F-Open stock and Steve's stock (the creator of Simon's stock), I would choose Steve's, but as mentioned above, I do not like barrel clamp systems because of the frequency in which I change out barrels, but that is just me.

[OpenSightsOnly]

The AR is a straight-line recoil design (think MG42 and the 7.62 Armalite) - recoil goes directly into the shoulder making it managable, less fatigue.

Folks who shoot highpower/service rifle and want to transition to a bolt, choose a tube gun chasis.

Check out smoothy8500's link to Eliseo tube chasis.

[kcstott]

The AR is a straight-line recoil design (think MG42 and the 7.62 Armalite) - recoil goes directly into the shoulder making it managable, less fatigue.

Folks who shoot highpower/service rifle and want to transition to a bolt, choose a tube gun chasis.

Check out smoothy8500's link to Eliseo tube chasis.

And anyone that knows anything about stock fitting knows that straight line recoil can be had with a conventional stock. No tube gun, no chassis needed.

[OpenSightsOnly]

And anyone that knows anything about stock fitting knows that straight line recoil can be had with a conventional stock. No tube gun, no chassis needed.

Indeed!

However, your chosen discipline will bias your viewpoint.

Folks I know who used an AR for service rifle will go for a tube chasis because its very familiar.

There are those who campaigned the M1 or the 14 for service rifle then transitioned to the AR now uses a tube chasis for conventional prone.

[smoothy8500]

And anyone that knows anything about stock fitting knows that straight line recoil can be had with a conventional stock. No tube gun, no chassis needed.

Indeed!

However, your chosen discipline will bias your viewpoint.

Folks I know who used an AR for service rifle will go for a tube chasis because its very familiar.

There are those who campaigned the M1 or the 14 for service rifle then transitioned to the AR now uses a tube chasis for conventional prone.

One thing I wonder about with most guys shooting F-T/R is why I don't see fully adjustable butt-plates? All my midrange prone experience is with the M14 and even AR. Subconsciously the butt goes in the shoulder pocket. But transitioning with typical scoped F-T/R rifle, adjusted cheekpiece is ok, but the butt feels "awkward" like it's below my shoulder pocket. With a 4-way butt plate raise it, adjusted for cant, length and offset, it would be a straight line recoil just like a tube gun.