TRASOL

[d.f.anonymous]

Looking for testimonials. I have used all the ballistics...all the truing, all the dope. Theres always a little adjusting that needs to take place on that kestrel or having to redo your dope cards as your barrel conditions change. Just curious if this is just another app ballistic solver or if the marketing points have any merit.

[kcstott]

I've used three different ballistic apps and found only one to be near perfect, That applied ballistics. Problem with all of them is they are only as good as the information you plug in. There is no system in the world that will produce near perfect dope every time.

One issue I find is the truing feature adjusts your velocity, well when I have a chrono reading the same shots velocity does not need adjustment it's the BC that needs to be trued. I've found that shooting at targets of various ranges noting the difference between poi & poa. And adjusting the BC a few points produces dope to plus or minus 1/10 mil.

And I mean really noting the impact difference. Not just going out and blow holes in the dirt then calling it good when you connect with your steel target. Well where on the target did you hit? Was it higher then you point of aim or lower? And by how much?
Yeah this is overkill for guys shooting steel. But if you want your numbers to close you need accurate data.

[d.f.anonymous]

I use applied ballistics. i have kestrel ab. its like i said in my post, I have done all the ballistics, all the truing lol I know trasol can't be perfect but there are a few things i want to hear from users who are NOT lowlight knob slobbers before i test out something like that. if you know what i mean by that.
Custom b.c. without guess work or input and outputing numbers use to be really hard without two chronos and separated at known distance. The introduction of the labradar has made that easier now...so your point is validated, but say 3 years ago...it would be argued that it was easier just to fool the system by truing mv. For the average joe. Although as you pointed out, you can do it by drop as well for some reason its not common practice as drop is relative to mv too. a tape measure and a set of calipers can be handy but really it should be done by velocity or as the the common thought would suggest since that is that you are doing by measuring the drop anyways if you think about it.

[kcstott]

I disagree to a point
What I mean is in my experience I'm getting either grossly better performance or grossly worse depending on who's BC I use.
When I get a close to a 200 fps difference if I just true the computer based on drop alone it fouls up the long range ballistics.
If I have known drops and a known MV I can tweak the BC slightly to produce far more accurate results the velocity truing.
Every bullet's BC is different even from lot to lot, so if you are not verifying your drops on every new batch of ammo, well for me (I shoot F class TR) that's not good enough, dope, zero, and drops are always changing and for steel shooters that may not matter, in F class if your loads can't shoot .5 moa or better you are just chasing your tail
Your comment on SH is spot on. I use to be a member there years ago but the ego trips put an end to that crap. I'm here to learn and teach, I'm not a fan boy I've been reloading for 27 years. And precision shooting off and on for nearly the same. I've got more trigger time then most of those guys have years on the earth

[d.f.anonymous]

ah I got you. You right. I'm sure you reload too, so you probably measure and weigh all the bullets in the batch? If b.c. calculations are a close to the same for each load is the SD coming from the b.c. variations or the environment/external ballistics?

[kcstott]

ah I got you. You right. I'm sure you reload too, so you probably measure and weigh all the bullets in the batch? If b.c. calculations are a close to the same for each load is the SD coming from the b.c. variations or the environment/external ballistics?

Weighing good bullets and brass is a waste of time. As close as the top manufacturers hold their weights it a waste of time for F class.

1000 yard bench rest? OK, yeah weight everything, F Class well you can but it won't make that huge of a difference.

As i said in my previous post I've been reloading for 27 years.

I'll give you an example
If i took my drops from 600, 1000, yards and added in data from 1275 meters in my .308 and just trued it the number are al over the map and my MV is fouled up screwing up short range drops, if i use close range data and true it fouls up long range data.

But if i take known drops and known MV as in field verified same day data, you tweak the BC a few points in my case about 10-20 will do. then I can see the correct drops with in 1/10 mil from 300 to 1275 meters,

Fact is you should not be relying on a computer to do YOUR job, you need to build a data book off of field data then you the computer to correct your data when elevation or weather changes come into play. I see far to many people relying on the computer then can hit crap at 1000 yards and blame everything but the data. the computer is only as good as what you put in to it.

[d.f.anonymous]

I do actually. I actually can/do wright it out most of my drops for an adaptive environment, wind for bullets other than a .308, spin drift and the drop all being based on a master data sheet or a superelevation.
I was just doing to things
1. Seeing if trasol was any good
2. Asking you some questions because I like to hear what others do!

[Hoffer]

The Trasol interface is very good. Have not checked real world results. Trasol appears to be in limbo at Desert Tech. Might be upgraded after the MDR is online. For $10 you can't go wrong.
Went with AB and Kestral AB. Nothing is perfect at this point in time ... probably never will be. Just gets you close to where you need.