Questions on this scope

[Jason Singh]

https://www.amazon.com/2000yards-Shooting-4-50x75-Tactical-Gunsight/dp/B017SQINSE/ref=pd_lpo_200_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=966K1EH5TSPFHA7PNVM6

What do you guys think of the scope above? Would this be better than my current scope.

I have been shooting at 150-200 yards with my 223, I currently have a 4-16x50 millet scope, I am not great at shooting, I will not lie and tell you I have some crazy 1 MOA or some s hit at 200 yards because I don't. I would be closer to 2.5 on average. I have had days where I can shoot within 1 MOA(very few), and others at like 3. I noticed the type of ammo makes a HUGE difference.

Anyways, I will be getting into shooting longer distances, a cousin of mine has new property and shooting distance is probably around 1200 yards(eyetest). Do I need to upgrade my scope at 1200 yards?

I'm planning on upgrading to a 308 or maybe 6.5 creedmoor very soon. Was thinking of a savage 10 fcp-sr 24 inch in 308, and maybe after a year or so I can upgrade the barrel to a 6.5 creedmoor match grade custom barrel? I am sure this is an easy conversion correct? I will replace the factory stock with a tactical stock. Add a nice muzzle brake. I do not plan on being a pro or anything, just have some fun, and get better at shooting. Cost of ammo is not a factor.

Have seriously considered a 300WM but do not know the recoil as I have not shot one, and do not know anyone with one. I heard of people getting a bad flinch.

[kcstott]

Lets back up.

so you shoot short range, You want to shoot longer range and need some advice. You are looking at a new rifle in a more suitable caliber, that's good.
My Advice on the scope, Don't. It's cheap import junk. and just because it says 50X don't mean it will be usable.
Look at a vortex scope. You can get a decent 20-25x for around $600
Upgrade your scope?? Maybe maybe not I know people that shoot 1000 yard with 10X I personally shoot with 25X so...
as for your rifle I'd high recommend a Remington 700 SPS tac in 308 or if they make a SPS in 6.5 CM get it.
Parts, stocks triggers are all easier to find and everyone makes stuff for the Remington, start off at 300 yards when you can shoot 2 moa or better push it out to 600 yards then push it to 800 then 1000... take your time and learn to read the wind.
Ballistics is math and any bullet can be made to hit a target at 1000 yards if there was no wind, Wind reading wins matches. the better you become at reading the wind the better you will be

[NorCalFocus]

What's wrong with your current scope? Are you looking just to upgrade? What do you like about your current scope? Dislike?

A agree with kctott, thats a cheap import that will likely let you down.

In that price there is this scope https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-214061...os+btr+6-24x50
Its gotten some favorable reviews. Look it up on YouTube. However again its imported, so its hit or miss. My son just sent his back, because the magnafaction ring wasn't working after he mounted it.

On the rifle, Remington is making a new "Magpul Edition" rifle that comes in .260 with a 22" heavy barrel.

[milotrain]

223 is great to learn on out to 600 yards. Stick with that until you are getting better, 223 is not your limiting factor.

[Desertdoc]

I do not like that scope in the link. To my knowledge Remington does not make anything in 6.5 CM, I could be wrong though.
I love this for all ranges, it was my first decent scope and what I learned to range on an shoot through, it's an excellent mid-range scope.. Now, I am on a Vortex Viper HS-T kick.

http://nightforceoptics.com/nxs/5-5-22x50

With MOAR-T Reticle.

http://nightforceoptics.com/sites/default/files/styles/default-image/public/MOAR-T-illuminated.png?itok=NPOIf2H-

[Forest Crawler]

Jason, I shoot a Remington 700 SPS in 300 WM. I swapped out the stock to a Blackhawk Axxium stock. The recoil is hardly noticeable. If you shoot 30 rounds, you'll feel it, but it's not bad. You can't go wrong with the 6.5 CM though. If I had a choice, I'd be snagging one of those quick.

As far as scopes, I use the MINOX ZA5i 5-25x56, but it's been discontinued. I would recommend the MINOX ZX5 line. Great glass and works great out to longer ranges.

[JMP]

The posted scope has a 12x zoom ratio with a 75mm objective lens, and it costs only $300. There's no way it'll deliver at that price point.

[anonymous308]

I don't have a lot to add other than I agree with almost everything that has been posted so far.

[Jason Singh]

Lets back up.

so you shoot short range, You want to shoot longer range and need some advice. You are looking at a new rifle in a more suitable caliber, that's good.
My Advice on the scope, Don't. It's cheap import junk. and just because it says 50X don't mean it will be usable.
Look at a vortex scope. You can get a decent 20-25x for around $600
Upgrade your scope?? Maybe maybe not I know people that shoot 1000 yard with 10X I personally shoot with 25X so...
as for your rifle I'd high recommend a Remington 700 SPS tac in 308 or if they make a SPS in 6.5 CM get it.
Parts, stocks triggers are all easier to find and everyone makes stuff for the Remington, start off at 300 yards when you can shoot 2 moa or better push it out to 600 yards then push it to 800 then 1000... take your time and learn to read the wind.
Ballistics is math and any bullet can be made to hit a target at 1000 yards if there was no wind, Wind reading wins matches. the better you become at reading the wind the better you will be

Thank you, your post really helps.

Yes I want to shoot long distance. I will look into the rem 700 sps, I will do that, I will start at 300 and go up from there. Makes sense.

[Jason Singh]

The posted scope has a 12x zoom ratio with a 75mm objective lens, and it costs only $300. There's no way it'll deliver at that price point.

Ive read somewhere that vortex is not US made, and that you are paying for a brand. I have a millet scope which is really good, But I want to see the difference. Maybe I will get a different cheaper Chinese alternative to compare with.

[Jason Singh]

Jason, I shoot a Remington 700 SPS in 300 WM. I swapped out the stock to a Blackhawk Axxium stock. The recoil is hardly noticeable. If you shoot 30 rounds, you'll feel it, but it's not bad. You can't go wrong with the 6.5 CM though. If I had a choice, I'd be snagging one of those quick.

As far as scopes, I use the MINOX ZA5i 5-25x56, but it's been discontinued. I would recommend the MINOX ZX5 line. Great glass and works great out to longer ranges.

Thank you, I might not get the 300 for now, I think I will be shooting more than that per day, so maybe a 6.5 or 308, leaning towards 308 right now, and then a barrel swap.

[Jason Singh]

What's wrong with your current scope? Are you looking just to upgrade? What do you like about your current scope? Dislike?

A agree with kctott, thats a cheap import that will likely let you down.

In that price there is this scope https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-214061...os+btr+6-24x50
Its gotten some favorable reviews. Look it up on YouTube. However again its imported, so its hit or miss. My son just sent his back, because the magnafaction ring wasn't working after he mounted it.

On the rifle, Remington is making a new "Magpul Edition" rifle that comes in .260 with a 22" heavy barrel.

I like my current scope, nothing wrong with it at all. I am just wondering why scopes like vortex which is not us made, is so much more expensive over oem branded stuff.

Like HP for example buys computers from Chinese manufacturers and just re brands and sells them at a higher mark up price.

I am wondering if there are any good chinese companies that sell directly to us. I have seen a few on Alibaba and Aliexpress.com

[NorCalFocus]

I like my current scope, nothing wrong with it at all. I am just wondering why scopes like vortex which is not us made, is so much more expensive over oem branded stuff.



Like HP for example buys computers from Chinese manufacturers and just re brands and sells them at a higher mark up price.



I am wondering if there are any good chinese companies that sell directly to us. I have seen a few on Alibaba and Aliexpress.com

Your right most of Vortexs product is not US made. They did recognize the need for a US made product and launched the Razor AMG.

Now if you think Vortex is expensive your wrong. It's a value based product for sure. For years the Viper PST was the cheapest decent FFP scope out there. Before that you were looking at $2k for a decent FFP. Look at the cost of a US Optics, S&B, Etc.

Scopes are also a little different than computers. A quality scope for long range shooting has to have precision mechanics inside and more coatings on the glass for better clarity. That's hardware that cost more. It's just not fluff markup like you get in a plastic molded computer filled with a mass produced mother board. Also a Chinese company selling you a scope can care less if it's a quality product or not. Vortex (and others) have a brand and Rep to protect. That means making a product that works and standing behind it if it doesn't.

With scopes you get what you pay for. I don't care what other people on the internet tell you, there is no free lunch with optics. With a budget optic your giving up something along the line.

My eldest son bought an Athlon Argos 6-24 scope with the understanding that it was a temporary fix. Well it didn't even make it through one range trip. Despite all the glowing reviews of it online, it's a cheap scope, cheaply made, and it's a crap shot getting one that works.

[LynnJr]

Jason
If you look at the post from JMP he has nailed it.
On variable scopes the lowest power setting gets multiplied to give you the highest power setting. In the old days 3-4 multiplication factor was a big deal meaning 3-9 power 6-24 stuff like that.
March scopes came out with the first 10X multiplication factor scopes around 2008 iirc?
That meant you could get a 8-80 power scope but the cost was $3300.
Next is the glass diameter. In the old days 40mm was all the rage then came 44 50 and 56mm for the front objective.
Then came the larger diameter tube for scopes. In the past 1 inch was about it. When 30mm came out it was all the rage. Now we have 34mm.
The scope posted has 12X multiplication a 75mm front objective and a 35mm main tube.
That scope has everything one would want in a long-range scope but the biggest factor is its quality.
We don't know the glass quality the click repeatability or anything else of importance.
I would imagine in today's market if it had the best components it would sell for $5000 or more.

[Jason Singh]

Your right most of Vortexs product is not US made. They did recognize the need for a US made product and launched the Razor AMG.

Now if you think Vortex is expensive your wrong. It's a value based product for sure. For years the Viper PST was the cheapest decent FFP scope out there. Before that you were looking at $2k for a decent FFP. Look at the cost of a US Optics, S&B, Etc.

Scopes are also a little different than computers. A quality scope for long range shooting has to have precision mechanics inside and more coatings on the glass for better clarity. That's hardware that cost more. It's just not fluff markup like you get in a plastic molded computer filled with a mass produced mother board. Also a Chinese company selling you a scope can care less if it's a quality product or not. Vortex (and others) have a brand and Rep to protect. That means making a product that works and standing behind it if it doesn't.

With scopes you get what you pay for. I don't care what other people on the internet tell you, there is no free lunch with optics. With a budget optic your giving up something along the line.

My eldest son bought an Athlon Argos 6-24 scope with the understanding that it was a temporary fix. Well it didn't even make it through one range trip. Despite all the glowing reviews of it online, it's a cheap scope, cheaply made, and it's a crap shot getting one that works.

Thank you for your post. I agree with what you say. It makes sense. It gives me a great area to start looking for my research of good scopes.