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  • Darryl Licht
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Dec 2012
    • 2259

    Mounting a new AR Barrel with accuracy in mind...

    OK, so thanks to Black Friday deals, I have secured a new 18" SS WOA barrel. This was the last piece of this puzzle needed. Final assembly of the rifle will start shortly after the barrel arrives! LOL!

    I have AeroShell 33MS for the barrel nut and receiver threads. I have the peel washers for the compensator.

    Now with accuracy/precision in mind; (this will be a yote gun serving dual purpose for a stab at long range competition) Should I or should I not consider using red Loctite to install the barrel extension into the receiver? Pros and cons?

    Thanks for your input!
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.
    --Thomas Jefferson
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. --Groucho Marx
  • #2
    croc4
    Senior Member
    • May 2005
    • 569

    I would not use red loctite, I would think blue would be a better option.

    croc4

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    • #3
      milotrain
      Veteran Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 4301

      Blue if you really need it, but I've never had to "glue them on" torque is enough (20ftlbs). Don't worry too much about mounting.
      weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
      frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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      • #4
        Germz
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Apr 2013
        • 4691

        most barrels require between 30 and 80 ftlbs of torque, however I've always just wrenched down on it "moderately hard", then line up with the closest gas tube slot.

        don't forget that anti-seize compound!
        Retired Account

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        • #5
          kcstott
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2011
          • 11796

          You want Anti seize not loctite.

          Why in the hell do the accuracy nuts think loctite is that answer to everything??

          The Marine and Navy armors go BY THE BOOK and their stuff shoots just fine at distance. no loctite needed
          Last edited by kcstott; 12-01-2014, 7:48 PM.

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          • #6
            DRM6000
            CGN Contributor
            • Jan 2006
            • 5788

            You looking to bed the barrel and receiver? Maybe truing the receiver face would be more beneficial?

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            • #7
              Twystd1
              Superfluous
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Oct 2009
              • 2692

              Originally posted by DRM6000
              You looking to bed the barrel and receiver? Maybe truing the receiver face would be more beneficial?
              The OP is building an AR. Not a bolt gun.
              No truing of receiver face or bedding needed.

              The clues were the following.
              WOA barrel and the words "barrel nut."

              -T
              Last edited by Twystd1; 12-01-2014, 9:43 PM.

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 57083

                Originally posted by kcstott
                You want Anti seize not loctite.
                Originally posted by DRM6000
                You looking to bed the barrel and receiver?
                Originally posted by Twystd1
                The OP is building an AR. Not a bolt gun.
                No truing of receiver face or bedding needed.
                Antisieze on the threads.
                Loctite sleeeve retaining compound in between the barrel extension and the receiver is a common way that service rifles are assembled.

                I check receivers like this:


                And then I correct them like this if needed:
                Randall Rausch

                AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                • #9
                  Darryl Licht
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 2259

                  Originally posted by ar15barrels
                  Antisieze on the threads.
                  Loctite sleeeve retaining compound in between the barrel extension and the receiver is a common way that service rifles are assembled.

                  I check receivers like this:


                  And then I correct them like this if needed:
                  Randall what are your thoughts on using Loctite on the barrel extension to bed it? I totally know NOT to get any Loctite near the threads or barrel nut. I wish you were closer to me and I'd have you check the receiver for me...
                  "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.
                  --Thomas Jefferson
                  Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. --Groucho Marx

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                  • #10
                    ar15barrels
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 57083

                    Originally posted by Darryl Licht
                    Randall what are your thoughts on using Loctite on the barrel extension to bed it? I totally know NOT to get any Loctite near the threads or barrel nut. I wish you were closer to me and I'd have you check the receiver for me...
                    If you are looking to do all the things you can to ensure best accuracy, bedding the barrel with loctite would be one of those things.
                    Even better would be to select through a batch of receivers to find one that's too tight for the barrel to simply slip into it.
                    That receiver can be heated up a couple hundred degrees and then the barrel slipped into place.
                    As it cools down, the receiver will shrink tight on the barrel extension.
                    No loctite is needed in that case.
                    Randall Rausch

                    AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                    Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                    Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                    Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                    Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                    • #11
                      milotrain
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 4301

                      Randall,

                      What do you find as the top edge of accuracy for an AR? I've got a slip fit, not tight, barrel to action with no loctite and I have gotten what suggests to be 1/2moa out of that rifle. I just sort of assumed that I wouldn't get any more out of the platform?
                      weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                      frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                      • #12
                        ar15barrels
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 57083

                        Originally posted by milotrain
                        Randall,

                        What do you find as the top edge of accuracy for an AR? I've got a slip fit, not tight, barrel to action with no loctite and I have gotten what suggests to be 1/2moa out of that rifle. I just sort of assumed that I wouldn't get any more out of the platform?
                        I have built AR barrels that shot in the twos.
                        Randall Rausch

                        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                        Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                        Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                        Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                        Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                        • #13
                          milotrain
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 4301

                          So without giving away the farm what are the biggest increases in accuracy you see with the platform?

                          Assuming a floated barrel, and an excellent SS blank (kreiger, brux, Lilja, etc)
                          weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                          frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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                          • #14
                            ar15barrels
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 57083

                            Originally posted by milotrain
                            So without giving away the farm what are the biggest increases in accuracy you see with the platform?

                            Assuming a floated barrel, and an excellent SS blank (kreiger, brux, Lilja, etc)
                            Treat it like a benchrest rifle in ALL respects.
                            The ones I did that shot in the twos were being shot by benchrest shooters, using all common benchrest techniques.
                            Tight-neck chamber, new cases neck turned and dedicated to that barrel etc...
                            Randall Rausch

                            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                            Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                            Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                            • #15
                              milotrain
                              Veteran Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 4301

                              That makes sense. No progress without work.
                              weg: That device is obsolete now. They replaced it with wizards.
                              frank: Wait a minute. There are more than one wizard? Is [are?] the wizard calibrated?

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