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  • Cheezle56
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 938

    9MM AK question

    So, I finally located a 9mm AK74 pattern barrel and ordered it, I already have an AK builder flat already bent in to preempt any ghost gun laws and I have leftover spare parts and extra parts kits for a build. Starting barrel length will be 16.25" Question now is which operating system?
    Blowback or Gas Piston Rotating Bolt?

    Blowback:
    Pros:
    Simple
    Proven
    That's how Izmash and Molot makes theirs
    lots of information on the web
    Easy to build
    Cons:
    Requires welding the bolt to the carrier, leaving the extractor impossible to remove, and possibility of welds breaking. Or
    Custom Bolt.
    May require adding weight to the bolt carrier to provide sufficient inertia.
    Possible issue with "SMG only" loads rupturing cases

    Gas:
    Pros:
    Actually makes use of an expensive Krink type gasblock/FSB
    Strong
    Probably never been done before
    Defnintely no issues with hot loads
    less felt recoil
    less reciprocating mass
    Lighter weight
    Cons:
    More likely to be ammo sensitive?
    May only run with hot loads?
    Oversize gas port?
    May have to reduce spring weight?
    Undergassing?
    May require lightening of the bolt carrier?


    What's your take? Is a gas operated 9mm feasible? Or simply look into tuning the bolt mass for the preferred loads? Whats the max amount of weight that can be added to the bolt carrier and still fit completely inside the AK shell? I'm also thinking that using a big charge of slower burning pistol powder (WSF or slower?) with 124 or 147gr bullets should provide excellent ballistics out of the longer barrel? I remember hearing somewhere that the standard 9mm velocity peaks right around 12" AK team or AR15Barrels care to chime in?
    If you need help with any stragglers, call a friend, because it's likely that they have a gun. America in particular have done exceptionally well taking care of the problem, as there are 1.12 guns for every 1 American citizen. So throw a rock, you'll probably hit a gun, pick up that gun, then shoot a zombie.
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    Click Boom
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2013
    • 6955

    Neva Been Done Befo? Lol

    Subscribed! I have no smartypants advice but am interested to see this!

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    • #3
      1lowluv
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 946

      heres the first of 5 videos in the series on making a 9mm AK http://youtu.be/xIOGzkylTbw?list=UUS...grQznpebL0Zcaw
      Cerakote and Stippling https://www.facebook.com/HammerGunWorx

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      • #4
        Cheezle56
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2012
        • 938

        Seems like the 7.62x25 Tok has been made as gas operated, and 9mm AR has been made as DI with a cut down gas tube, but it seems like many of those systems require much fine tuning to make it operate correctly... seems like simple blowback might be better for reliability reasons, at the cost if increased weight... probably easier to build a custom bolt carrier than to make multiple range trips to troubleshoot a gas system...
        If you need help with any stragglers, call a friend, because it's likely that they have a gun. America in particular have done exceptionally well taking care of the problem, as there are 1.12 guns for every 1 American citizen. So throw a rock, you'll probably hit a gun, pick up that gun, then shoot a zombie.

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        • #5
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57088

          I'm doing my 2XTM from a 74 parts set in blowback.
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
          Most work performed while-you-wait.

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          • #6
            Cheezle56
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 938

            AR15: I looked at the XTM pattern using suomi mags. I've decided I'm going to build a magwell to fit M9 mags since I already have a **** ton of those lying around and they're available just about anywhere. I guess Jestice arms and solar has been selling 10 rnd surplus mags? Mag availability has somewhat turned me off from some of the surplus builds I have been looking at.
            If you need help with any stragglers, call a friend, because it's likely that they have a gun. America in particular have done exceptionally well taking care of the problem, as there are 1.12 guns for every 1 American citizen. So throw a rock, you'll probably hit a gun, pick up that gun, then shoot a zombie.

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            • #7
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57088

              Originally posted by Cheezle56
              AR15: I looked at the XTM pattern using suomi mags. I've decided I'm going to build a magwell to fit M9 mags since I already have a **** ton of those lying around and they're available just about anywhere. I guess Jestice arms and solar has been selling 10 rnd surplus mags? Mag availability has somewhat turned me off from some of the surplus builds I have been looking at.
              You can make a magwell for any type of mag you want and just fit it into the 2XTM flat.
              You could do the same thing with a regular flat too.
              It's just metalwork...
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
              Most work performed while-you-wait.

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