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  • MUKAK
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 3757

    welder recommendation

    i am in a market for a welder, my budget is around 250-300$ and i am looking for a plug in type ( no gas ) flux welder

    HF has the Chicago made 85 amp for 99$ right now but i am sure its junk

    the welder will be used to weld up holes from Saiga conversion and minor garage work on my Jeep

    and btw i never welded b4 and cant wait to learn!! ( watching youtube vids now haha )
    FS/FT HI-POINT 9MM CARBINE 995TS http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1269230
  • #2
    guns4life
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 4916

    I'm teaching myself with this.




    I waited until I got a nice giftcard to home depot before buying. When I went in to the store the welder I wanted(next step down) was out of stock so they discounted the next step up which brought it to about 425.00 IIRC.


    You may want to consider banking your funds until you can get away from HF. I spent weeks researching HF vs entry level big brand welders and couldn't get myself to pull the trigger on the HF models even though I shop there often. I didn't want to risk structural integrity with a sub-par welder. I'm a very novice welder so my opinion is worth what it is, I just happened to be in your position not too long ago.

    I told my wife that I wanted home depot giftcards for my birthday/christmas if anybody were to ask, haha. It took a couple holiday seasons but santa finally came through.
    Last edited by guns4life; 05-22-2014, 9:54 AM.
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    • #3
      Shasta Frog
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 740

      You can usually find Miller or Lincoln A/C stick welders for around that price. I've got a Miller 225 stick welder at a yard sale for $75. No moving parts just plug in and set your amperage and weld.

      I'd recommend a stick welder for first time over a mig,tig or oxy

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      • #4
        Shasta Frog
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 740

        Originally posted by guns4life
        I'm teaching myself with this.




        I waited until I got a nice giftcard to home depot before buying. When I went in to the store the welder I wanted(next step down) was out of stock so they discounted the next step up which brought it to about 425.00 IIRC.


        You may want to consider banking your funds until you can get away from HF. I spent weeks researching HF vs entry level big brand welders and couldn't get myself to pull the trigger on the HF models even though I shop there often. I didn't want to risk structural integrity with a sub-par welder. I'm a very novice welder so my opinion is worth what it is, I just happened to be in your position not too long ago.

        I told my wife that I wanted home depot giftcards for my birthday/christmas if anybody were to ask, haha. It took a couple holiday seasons but santa finally came through.
        I also have a Lincoln SP135 Plus. Similar to the one in your link. Excellent welders IMO. 90% of my welding is done with this welder up to 1/4''.

        Even have the aluminum set up for that welder but haven't used it yet.

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        • #5
          wecf
          Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 287

          I have had a Longevity-inc (256pi TIG) for 3 years and it works great. I use Miller and Lincoln TIG everyday and they are awesome, but not needed unless you are going to weld often.

          Get a 220 machine!

          You can use your dryer hookups to plug it in, 110 is a joke unless you want to buy a $1000+ welder.

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          • #6
            NytWolf
            Veteran Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 3935

            Save up until you can get a better welder that uses gas. Learning to weld on flux/gasless sucks. You won't really know if what you're doing is right.

            I got a Hobart Handler 140. It's pretty flexible for a garage welder, and you can use it gasless. The internal parts are actually Miller because Miller bought the company a few years back.

            Hobart Handler 140 at Northern Tools

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            • #7
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 57188

              Originally posted by MUKAK
              i am in a market for a welder, my budget is around 250-300$ and i am looking for a plug in type ( no gas ) flux welder

              HF has the Chicago made 85 amp for 99$ right now but i am sure its junk

              the welder will be used to weld up holes from Saiga conversion and minor garage work on my Jeep

              and btw i never welded b4 and cant wait to learn!! ( watching youtube vids now haha )
              Honestly, just pay a professional.

              Flux type wire welders suck, no matter how good of a welder you get.
              They are fine if you just want to weld up wrought iron fences in windy weather, but they have no place on gun work.
              Randall Rausch

              AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
              Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
              Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
              Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
              Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 57188

                Originally posted by Shasta Frog
                You can usually find Miller or Lincoln A/C stick welders for around that price. I've got a Miller 225 stick welder at a yard sale for $75. No moving parts just plug in and set your amperage and weld.

                I'd recommend a stick welder for first time over a mig,tig or oxy
                Welding up holes in 1mm sheetmetal with a stick welder would be quite a fun project for someone who has never welded before...
                Randall Rausch

                AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                • #9
                  ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 57188

                  Originally posted by NytWolf
                  Save up until you can get a better welder that uses gas. Learning to weld on flux/gasless sucks. You won't really know if what you're doing is right.
                  This is solid advice.
                  A person learning welding could learn with a gas shielded mig welder.
                  They would even be able to weld 1mm sheetmetal eventually.
                  Just don't try to LEARN on the saiga receiver...
                  Randall Rausch

                  AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                  Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                  Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                  • #10
                    bbgughj
                    Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 430

                    Stick welder, check craigslist...

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                    • #11
                      Shasta Frog
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2012
                      • 740

                      Originally posted by ar15barrels
                      Welding up holes in 1mm sheetmetal with a stick welder would be quite a fun project for someone who has never welded before...
                      Ya I would say so. I was more or less commenting on general fab work and not so much on guns.

                      Tig for guns and thinner material and aluminum, hands down!
                      Last edited by Shasta Frog; 05-22-2014, 11:37 AM.

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                      • #12
                        TacRak
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2014
                        • 104

                        just save your money. get one machine that has a nice % duty cycle. even thought its more than you want(ed) to pay. it will be worth it. you wont have to buy another one for a long time if you decide you like it

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                        • #13
                          klewan
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 3031

                          Miller rep would weld two single edge razor blades together; showed how you could not burn thru. Mig welder... and a butt joint.

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                          • #14
                            toddh
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1914

                            Come to my house over the weekend, and I will TIG weld them up for a 6pack of good craft beer.

                            Then you can save up for a quality piece of equipment.
                            IMHO...crappy chinese equipment does not belong in an American's garage.

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                            • #15
                              ScottsBad
                              Progressives Suck!
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • May 2009
                              • 5610

                              The great thing about the 140 is it runs on common voltage so taking it with you is nice. But the power is just OK.

                              If you are keeping it at home and can get 220v wired I recommend looking at the 180 model if you are planning on needing it for more difficult jobs. The 140 amp will work for many, but the 180 will give you a little more margin for higher power requirements.

                              Duty cycle is also important, I didn't know that when I bought my 180 (used so I got it cheap). The Home Depot versions have low duty cycles which means they will shut down quickly if you go too long. I think they have like 20% duty cycle. The industrial models have 20-30% at full power. I believe that's how it works. (I am sure someone will correct me). For what you are doing you may not need the extended duty cycle.
                              Last edited by ScottsBad; 05-22-2014, 12:07 PM.
                              sigpicC'mon man, shouldn't we ban Democracks from Cal-Guns? Or at least send them to re-education camps.

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