Homebuilt OLLs?

[GuyW]

No - I'm talking about _real_ homebuilt OLLs....

This Bill Homes book not only has the plans to build a 9mm upper and dedicated lower (shorter mag housing), it also has the plans to build a conventional .223 lower....all from sheet steel...

VOL V THE AR-15/M16 - HOME WORKSHOP GUNS FOR DEFENSE AND RESISTANCE by Bill Holmes, Paladin Press (November, 1997) ISBN 0873649486.

Anyway....has anybody built one or considered it?

[oaklander]

There's some issues with "zip guns" - see:

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12020.htm

[GuyW]

There's some issues with "zip guns" - see:

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12020.htm

I appreciate your input.

There are "issues" with zip guns, but IMHO not with these proposed OLLs....

A zip must meet all 4 criteria of 12020....these being AR-15-type guns, they are OK per section B.

(10) As used in this section, a "zip gun" means any weapon or device which meets all of the following criteria:
(A) It was not imported as a firearm by an importer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(B) It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a manufacturer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(C) No tax was paid on the weapon or device nor was an exemption from paying tax on that weapon or device granted under Section 4181 and Subchapters F (commencing with Section 4216) and G (commencing with Section 4221) of Chapter 32 of Title 26 of the United States Code, as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(D) It is made or altered to expel a projectile by the force of an explosion or other form of combustion.

[weezil_boi]

So does this mean that you cant make your own bolt action rifle or shotgun from scratch?

[GuyW]

"So does this mean that you cant make your own bolt action rifle or shotgun from scratch?"

Well, it seems to say that the CA-legal homebuilt gun must have been
1) "originally designed"
2) to be a firearm
3) by a manufacturer
4) licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code, (which, depending upon the date of that US Code), would seem to preclude "obsolete" gun designs that preceded that licensing law.

Typical unConstitutional CA BS.

It outlaws the construction of SINGLE SHOT rifles that were never commercially manufactured, such as those in "Mr. Single Shot's Book of Rifle Plans" (guns designed by a gunsmith to be feasible for home workshop machining....)

John Browning designed many guns, but IIRC, manufactured few....(Q?: was "Browning" his company?)

In any case, an AR-15-type rifle must be OK....

"(B) It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a manufacturer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto."

[oaklander]

So does this mean that you cant make your own bolt action rifle or shotgun from scratch?

The law is poorly written. . .

(10) As used in this section, a "zip gun" means any weapon or device which meets all of the following criteria:

(A) It was not imported as a firearm by an importer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(B) It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a manufacturer licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(C) No tax was paid on the weapon or device nor was an exemption from paying tax on that weapon or device granted under Section 4181 and Subchapters F (commencing with Section 4216) and G (commencing with Section 4221) of Chapter 32 of Title 26 of the United States Code, as amended, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(D) It is made or altered to expel a projectile by the force of an explosion or other form of combustion.

Although I disagree with this interpretation - I think that a DA could attempt to argue that someone bending a flat is making a zip gun. The "originally designed" language in "B" could be construed different ways - if it refers to the overall design of the gun - then someone making guns that are identical in operation and design to other guns already being made - is probably safe. And example would be building an AK rifle from a parts kit and an 80 percent flat.

If "B" refers only to the specific receiver of the gun - then I see problems, as an 80 percent flat:

(A) was not imported as a firearm

(B) was not originally designed to be a firearm by a licensed manufacturer

(C) no tax was paid on the weapon; and

(D) it is made to expel a projectile

Before everyone jumps on me - please remember that I don't agree with this analysis - I'm just reporting what a DA might say.

[GuyW]

(10) As used in this section, a "zip gun" means any weapon or device which meets all of the following criteria:
(A) It was not imported as a firearm by an importer licensed....
(B) It was not originally designed to be a firearm by a manufacturer licensed...
(C) No tax was paid on the weapon or device nor was an exemption from paying tax on that weapon or device granted....
(D) It is made or altered to expel a projectile by the force of an explosion or other form of combustion.

So, it seems that if a person were to add a drop of light oil or lighter fluid behind the pellet in a non-imported air gun said person would have created a zip gun (created a diesel explosion)...(I'm assuming that airgun manufacturers aren't licensed)

Potato guns are zip guns....

Non-commercial muzzleloading rifles are zip guns...

Good thing the commies in the legislature have protected us from blood-thirsty zipgun-toting thugs via this law...

[weezil_boi]

Damn! I was kinda hopin to try an make a bolt action little .410 . I thought it be a cool little project without a mill.

So basically, for me to build one, I have to replicate a rifle or shotgun that was produced by a gun-maker.

crap.