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Poking around Chinas wholesale "Amazon", having a laugh at 100 dollar ACOGs and this pops up
Looks like east German? small loop?
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Looks like east German? small loop?
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Originally posted by rickey65 -
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That is an airsoft part --- don't even try putting that in a real gun, unless you like the taste of pot metal.Comment
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What tells you it is pot metal? or an airsoft part besides the fact it is on a DHGate.
Both real questions.Originally posted by rickey65Comment
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Well, I have all three versions on a few of my AK's (East German, Polish and Romanian) and here are some of my observations:
1. None of mine have horizontal welds down the butt-plate area. It is supposed to be a single piece of formed steel.
2. The rear hole screw is not counter sunk and it is missing the frontal rear hole altogether (if it were a Romy).
3. The flat area on top where your AK trunnion sits atop is incorrectly shaped and the pivot pin isn't staked, as it is supposed to be.
4. It might be a copy of a East German but I have never seen one so badly finished. All of the East Germans that I have seen are finished better then the Romy's or the Polish.
5. It can't be a Romy, as they are all rear push-button operated and not lever operated.
6. None of mine have a cross-pin welded in the front end by the flat spring. They are usually stamped into place.
7. Do you see all of the casting-pore holes in the butt-plate area ?? What leads you to believe that this isn't pot metal ??
8. The lower spring isn't shaped like that in either my East German or my Polish (which is actually a close copy of the East German BTW).
9. Lastly, why would you even chance buying this stock for $60 from a known airsoft distributor when you can still find the real ones around at a few different places for just $100 ??
10. This is just my opinion and not to be taken as gospel. So, take a look for yourself:
It is very interesting that it doesn't look like any of the airsoft side-folders that I have seen either (I do both types of 'smithing......LOL !!!)
I might be willing to try this out on a .22lr AK but not on a real one.
Hope that helps you out some, sir.Comment
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Well, I have all three versions on a few of my AK's (East German, Polish and Romanian) and here are some of my observations:
1. None of mine have horizontal welds down the butt-plate area. It is supposed to be a single piece of formed steel.
2. The rear hole screw is not counter sunk and it is missing the frontal rear hole altogether (if it were a Romy).
3. The flat area on top where your AK trunnion sits atop is incorrectly shaped and the pivot pin isn't staked, as it is supposed to be.
4. It might be a copy of a East German but I have never seen one so badly finished. All of the East Germans that I have seen are finished better then the Romy's or the Polish.
5. It can't be a Romy, as they are all rear push-button operated and not lever operated.
6. None of mine have a cross-pin welded in the front end by the flat spring. They are usually stamped into place.
7. Do you see all of the casting-pore holes in the butt-plate area ?? What leads you to believe that this isn't pot metal ??
8. The lower spring isn't shaped like that in either my East German or my Polish (which is actually a close copy of the East German BTW).
9. Lastly, why would you even chance buying this stock for $60 from a known airsoft distributor when you can still find the real ones around at a few different places for just $100 ??
10. This is just my opinion and not to be taken as gospel. So, take a look for yourself:
It is very interesting that it doesn't look like any of the airsoft side-folders that I have seen either (I do both types of 'smithing......LOL !!!)
I might be willing to try this out on a .22lr AK but not on a real one.
Hope that helps you out some, sir.Shoot Smallbore? Check out LAR&R in S. El Monte
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Holy cow. I was expecting " cuz its China and I said so. Thanks for taking the time to give a real answer.Well, I have all three versions on a few of my AK's (East German, Polish and Romanian) and here are some of my observations:
1. None of mine have horizontal welds down the butt-plate area. It is supposed to be a single piece of formed steel.
2. The rear hole screw is not counter sunk and it is missing the frontal rear hole altogether (if it were a Romy).
3. The flat area on top where your AK trunnion sits atop is incorrectly shaped and the pivot pin isn't staked, as it is supposed to be.
4. It might be a copy of a East German but I have never seen one so badly finished. All of the East Germans that I have seen are finished better then the Romy's or the Polish.
5. It can't be a Romy, as they are all rear push-button operated and not lever operated.
6. None of mine have a cross-pin welded in the front end by the flat spring. They are usually stamped into place.
7. Do you see all of the casting-pore holes in the butt-plate area ?? What leads you to believe that this isn't pot metal ??
8. The lower spring isn't shaped like that in either my East German or my Polish (which is actually a close copy of the East German BTW).
9. Lastly, why would you even chance buying this stock for $60 from a known airsoft distributor when you can still find the real ones around at a few different places for just $100 ??
10. This is just my opinion and not to be taken as gospel. So, take a look for yourself:
It is very interesting that it doesn't look like any of the airsoft side-folders that I have seen either (I do both types of 'smithing......LOL !!!)
I might be willing to try this out on a .22lr AK but not on a real one.
Hope that helps you out some, sir.Originally posted by rickey65Comment
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Glad to be of assistance to you, sir.Comment
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That is not a crutch folder. This is a crutch folder.Poking around Chinas wholesale "Amazon", having a laugh at 100 dollar ACOGs and this pops up
Looks like east German? small loop?
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If you can't explain it simply you don't understand it well enough. Albert EinsteinComment
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Did I just get Crocodile Dundeed?Originally posted by rickey65Comment
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I think I'm going to disagree with you about number 5. Don't make me take another picture.Well, I have all three versions on a few of my AK's (East German, Polish and Romanian) and here are some of my observations:
1. None of mine have horizontal welds down the butt-plate area. It is supposed to be a single piece of formed steel.
2. The rear hole screw is not counter sunk and it is missing the frontal rear hole altogether (if it were a Romy).
3. The flat area on top where your AK trunnion sits atop is incorrectly shaped and the pivot pin isn't staked, as it is supposed to be.
4. It might be a copy of a East German but I have never seen one so badly finished. All of the East Germans that I have seen are finished better then the Romy's or the Polish.
5. It can't be a Romy, as they are all rear push-button operated and not lever operated.
6. None of mine have a cross-pin welded in the front end by the flat spring. They are usually stamped into place.
7. Do you see all of the casting-pore holes in the butt-plate area ?? What leads you to believe that this isn't pot metal ??
8. The lower spring isn't shaped like that in either my East German or my Polish (which is actually a close copy of the East German BTW).
9. Lastly, why would you even chance buying this stock for $60 from a known airsoft distributor when you can still find the real ones around at a few different places for just $100 ??
10. This is just my opinion and not to be taken as gospel. So, take a look for yourself:
It is very interesting that it doesn't look like any of the airsoft side-folders that I have seen either (I do both types of 'smithing......LOL !!!)
I might be willing to try this out on a .22lr AK but not on a real one.
Hope that helps you out some, sir.
If you can't explain it simply you don't understand it well enough. Albert EinsteinComment
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The original and most desirable Romy side-folding stocks were made with the push-button as seen here:The Romanian rifle uses a wire type monostrut folding stock, patterned after the original design developed in East Germany for the MPiKMS-72 and later used on the MPiAKS-74N. The Romanian version is very similar but has some very interesting improvements. Most noticeably, it has an offset to the left which means it provides a better cheek weld, and offsets recoil forces which try to pull the rifle to the left when used by a right handed shooter. The folding mechanism is also activated by a push button rather than a lever. The rear portion of the stock is also modified and set at a lower angle, which provides a slightly more comfortable stance when shooting.
Provided by The Romanian Ministry of Defense.
And here:
Only for the very last few years of production did they switch to the lever type, as it is far easier to produce and even then NO real Romanian AK ever issued has ever been seen with that type of stock. So, it is mostly believed they were all made fairly recently for export sales (read the part listed under 'folding stocks') :
So, basically you guys are all buying the "export version" and not the correct Romanian military push-button stock.
Hope that better helps to explain things to you guys.Comment
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I think the o.p. should buy one and let us all know how it works out for him this is going to be the best way to get to the bottom of this once and for allbComment
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Some problems with the statement below.. As said by Bigbob the second type Romanian did have a lever....
More info on this sub at this recent thread.
The study from Gunboards you linked below is my study....It's also published at The AK Forum.net
The "Chinese" side folder originally posted strongly resembles the East German MPi-KMS-72 (AKM) however the pic posted is not of good quality, and thus it's very difficult to make a determination whether it's a genuine EG stock, or a Chinese copy..... The stock in the pic posted lacks the rubber bumper, and the bumper retaining pin...The sheet metal stock retaining piece also has some issues, as the radius on the folded metal parts also don't look right....It also looks to be used, and lacks most of it's finish....
The linked sales add had two additional pics...which show a foam "cheek piece" attached to the folding stock. Definitely not East German , Romanian or Polish... Additionally the two additional pic's are of a different stock than the original pic, as these pic's show a rubber bumper, which is not of EG manufacture. The EG's did not have a raised portion on the part which mated to the receiver as shown in the additional pic's....The finish shown on the sheet metal retaining piece in these two additional pic's also shows a blued finish. All the original EG folders had parkerized sheet metal parts.....
With most things Chinese just because the pic's show one part there is no guarantee that the part you receive will be the same as in the pic's...
I would like to see one of these in person though.....
Well, I have all three versions on a few of my AK's (East German, Polish and Romanian) and here are some of my observations:
1. None of mine have horizontal welds down the butt-plate area. It is supposed to be a single piece of formed steel.
2. The rear hole screw is not counter sunk and it is missing the frontal rear hole altogether (if it were a Romy).
3. The flat area on top where your AK trunnion sits atop is incorrectly shaped and the pivot pin isn't staked, as it is supposed to be.
4. It might be a copy of a East German but I have never seen one so badly finished. All of the East Germans that I have seen are finished better then the Romy's or the Polish.
5. It can't be a Romy, as they are all rear push-button operated and not lever operated.
6. None of mine have a cross-pin welded in the front end by the flat spring. They are usually stamped into place.
7. Do you see all of the casting-pore holes in the butt-plate area ?? What leads you to believe that this isn't pot metal ??
8. The lower spring isn't shaped like that in either my East German or my Polish (which is actually a close copy of the East German BTW).
9. Lastly, why would you even chance buying this stock for $60 from a known airsoft distributor when you can still find the real ones around at a few different places for just $100 ??
10. This is just my opinion and not to be taken as gospel. So, take a look for yourself:
It is very interesting that it doesn't look like any of the airsoft side-folders that I have seen either (I do both types of 'smithing......LOL !!!)
I might be willing to try this out on a .22lr AK but not on a real one.
Hope that helps you out some, sir.Last edited by SVT-40; 02-03-2014, 12:23 PM.Poke'm with a stick!
Originally posted by fiddletownComment
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I have read your study on the wire side-folding stocks. But I have also seen where the push button folder was the ONLY type used on actual military issued Romy rifles.
I read it here and it is also posted a few other places as well :
But since none of us work at the Romanian Ministry of Defense --- none of these statements/articles/studies can really be confirmed or denied one way or the other, correct ??
The Chinese stocks shown could also be 'reconditioned' old stocks as well with a mis-match of parts, hence the odd look and different shape to certain areas........just thinking out loud, here. As the Chinese have been known to do that sort of thing also.
But I do 100% agree that someone needs to buy one and see what is really going on here.......just not me. I'll stick to the known stocks of quality manufacture for just a few bucks more.
Thanks for the additional info though. Every little bit helps.Comment
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