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  • Ugly Dwarf
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1121

    Bolt Carrier O Ring

    Only one person has weighed in on my QUESTION over in the rifleman's forum, so perhaps this is a question better asked in the Gunsmithing section.

    Is anyone here familiar with the Crane Extractor O Ring? It was shipped with a BCM bolt carrier group I ordered. I noted that the BCG was fully assembled and that this O ring was in a separate sealed pouch (suggesting to me that it may not be needed for all applications).

    Further digging here and elsewhere suggests it's really only needed for carbine builds, specifically for carbines to be used full auto. The one response I got over at Riflemans Forum suggested it may extend the life / function of the extractor with reduced wear on the extractor spring.

    No where have it seen it said that it will cause problems to use it in something else, but I'm wondering if there are any downsides to using it in a 24" rifle build. Also, if it should be used, I wanted to confirm that it simply slips over the extractor spring, or if there is some other location it should be used. If it's anything other than a matter of slipping the O ring over the spring, pictures or a description of the install would be appreciated.

    I tried to call the vendor early this morning and was told (by their message) to email. I sent them an email and have not received a response. It's only been a day now, but I grew up in the 80's so I need that instant gratification.

    As an aside, I noted that the O ring sent seems to be broken (a "C" ring?!!!), so I'll be waiting to hear back from the vendor on that too.

    Anyone?

    Dwarf
  • #2
    chuck762
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 1049

    It is supposed to be an O-ring.
    I received one with my BCM bolt groups also. It is nothing more than a Buna N o-ring you can pick up in a hardware or auto store. They are a band aid for short barreled M16/AR15s to extract properly.
    Some people use em in everything. I don't use them. Instead I install Wolff extractor strings in all my ARs. No worries about it breaking and possibly jamming the extractor like an O-ring could do.
    O-rings dry rot, crack from heat or chemicals so I don't trust em in a firearm.
    Someone makes a synthetic D-ring gizmo that does the same thing but it was pricey (about 12 bucks) last time I saw one.
    It slips over the extractor spring.

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    • #3
      Ugly Dwarf
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 1121

      Chuck,

      Thanks for the response and for confirming what I've read elsewhere.

      I got a response from Bravo Company last night and he said much the same... "We don't install it because you don't need it. We include it in case you wanted it anyway." Fair Enough.

      I guess I'll go without and see how it works. I'm sure it will be fine for my needs. I just get a little spooked when I find parts left over after something is "all put together."

      Dwarf

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      • #4
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57136

        You don't need an o-ring on a mid-length or rifle length gas system.
        They can sometimes cause failures to eject on those guns due to excessive extractor tension over-riding the ejector spring.
        Randall Rausch

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        • #5
          Ugly Dwarf
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1121

          Thanks Randall. I'll see how it runs tomorrow (without the O ring of course).

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          • #6
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 57136

            Originally posted by Ugly Dwarf
            Thanks Randall. I'll see how it runs tomorrow (without the O ring of course).
            So, how did it run?
            Randall Rausch

            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
            Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
            Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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            • #7
              Ugly Dwarf
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2007
              • 1121

              Would you believe it... After my sprint to get the gun finished before last weekend, I didn't get a chance to test it out yet.

              I had Monday off from work, so I figured I had a whole day to play with it. I tried to get moving in the morning to load up some ammo for testing but managed to drag that out longer than I should have. One thing leads to another and I find myself driving to the range at Noon, with the temp climbing over 100 degrees.

              I got to the range (USI in Concord) just after it closed. They had lead reclimation (sp?) scheduled to run from Tues - Thursday (or so). Since the equipment had shown up a day early and it was a slow day (did I mention it was over 100 at Noon?), they decided to close early (11:30).

              Ah well, I hate the heat and wasn't looking forward (at least not as much as usual) to a day of shooting in tripple digits - it eventually hit 112 according to the thermometer in my car. I ended up taking shelter at the movies instead - not as much fun, but it was time well wasted in a cold room.

              I'll get back out there in another week or two. Just need to find the time away from work and family.

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              • #8
                Ugly Dwarf
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 1121

                Originally posted by ar15barrels
                So, how did it run?
                Figured I'd post up for anyone who was interested in this subject.

                I took the new (franken) rifle out to the range today and it ran without any problems. I put about 100 rounds down range with no problems. The brass was deposited in a nice pile approximately 2' back and 10' to my right. I won't be planning to put the O ring in.

                I wasn't "Thrilled" with my grouping but I wasn't too disapointed either. I was primarily running 75's with a load that works well in my bolt gun with ~ 2 MOA groups. I ran a box of factory 55 FMJ's through the gun, and they seemed to group in the 1+ MOA range.

                Either this 1x9" barrel likes lighter bullets (same twist as my Stevens which loves 75's) or maybe just a different charge. I guess it was too much to hope for one load to work great in both guns.

                A new trigger will be a must have at some point too. The standard trigger that came with my LPK breaks at a nice and light 9.5 lbs.

                Finished out the morning shooting some .45, .357 and .22's over on the pistol side.

                All in all, a good day.

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                • #9
                  bwiese
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 27621

                  Ugly,

                  Your gun's doing fine, esp if 55gr ammo is in the 1+ MOA arena.

                  Your 1/9" twist bbl will like lighter loads, probably topping out in 60ish grains.

                  All my AR carbines don't have any special O-rings either and they work fine.

                  Bill Wiese
                  San Jose, CA

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                  • #10
                    Ugly Dwarf
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 1121

                    Bill,

                    Thanks. I was pleased with the results.

                    The only disapointment was that loads that work great one gun didn't work GREAT in this one. I'm pretty sure I can get this gun shooting quite well with a little effort.

                    I've got a batch of freshly prepped brass and a box each of 60 grain Hornady's and 52 grain Sierra's ready for testing with three or four different powders. I'll post some results over in the realoading section the next time I have a range day.

                    I seem to have been re-infected with BRD after a few years on the wagon.

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                    • #11
                      asymmetricalwarfar3
                      Member
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 382

                      Thanks UD for posting this question/concern, as I found myself asking the same thing.

                      On a side note....do you have to de-grease the bolt on these things?
                      Originally posted by BTF/PTM
                      Stay black, don't fake the funk. Peace out, yall.

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