922r questions

[sava6e]

Here it goes, I've read on some forums that people refinish their stock and furniture and then call it us made. Im sorta unclear as to why that becomes classified as us made? and if its true. Furthermore if im building a rifle and modify a part, does it become us made?

[BigMac]

No, modifying a imported part does not make it American made.

This comes up in the semi modification of demilled machine guns. Even if you take a bolt and change the way it works... it's still a imported bolt.
If you refinish an HK, it's still German.

[sava6e]

well thats what i thought, but then what logic do people have in saying they refinish their ak stock and consider it a compliant part?

[thedrickel]

well thats what i thought, but then what logic do people have in saying they refinish their ak stock and consider it a compliant part?

Very flawed logic.

[bohoki]

Very flawed logic.

so you cant carve one out of imported wood?

i hear he carved it himself out of a bigger spoon

[thedrickel]

so you cant carve one out of imported wood?

i hear he carved it himself out of a bigger spoon

Carving it would be manufacturing the stock, so that would count. It entered the country as a hunk of wood (or a spoon), not as a rifle stock. "He" created it out of the raw material, which happens to be of foreign origin. That's a lot different than taking a stock that was made in Europe or wherever, stripping it, slapping some oil on and calling it a US stock.

[ar15barrels]

Carving it would be manufacturing the stock, so that would count. It entered the country as a hunk of wood (or a spoon), not as a rifle stock. "He" created it out of the raw material, which happens to be of foreign origin. That's a lot different than taking a stock that was made in Europe or wherever, stripping it, slapping some oil on and calling it a US stock.

How about taking a Romy G lower handguard, lopping off the pistol grip and radically re-shaping the piece before re-finishing?

It came into the country as a pistol grip, but now it's a conventional lower handguard.

[bohoki]

How about taking a Romy G lower handguard, lopping off the pistol grip and radically re-shaping the piece before re-finishing?

It came into the country as a pistol grip, but now it's a conventional lower handguard.

that was kind of my point about the spoon

say you carve a smaller woodend spoon out of a big wooden spoon
did you make a spoon?

if you wrap the stock with fiberglass isnt it a new stock since the imported stock is now just stock innards

hopefully eventually the sporting purposes test will go out the window since guns are only legal because they are for millitary purposes hunting isnt a right guarented in the second

and there is no better part than forign surplus millitary parts

[Rascal]

How about taking a Romy G lower handguard, lopping off the pistol grip and radically re-shaping the piece before re-finishing?

It came into the country as a pistol grip, but now it's a conventional lower handguard.

NO, that is modifying the handguard, not manufacturing a new handguard.
Lopping off the pistol grip is removing the restricted "evil" feature.
You can have a 100% foreign made weapon, but it can't have "non-sporting" features on it according to 922r

[sava6e]

ok back to the spoon example: what if you have the big spoon originally but now you only make the handle smaller, basically converting a cetme hammer to a semi auto requires the removal of the notch for the burst latch i.e. grinding it off.

[thedrickel]

ok back to the spoon example: what if you have the big spoon originally but now you only make the handle smaller, basically converting a cetme hammer to a semi auto requires the removal of the notch for the burst latch i.e. grinding it off.

You started with a FA foreign hammer. You modified it to a semi-auto foreign hammer. It's still a foreign hammer.

You have to remake it into something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT for it to count as a US made part. Like, say you took a foreign made hammer, ground it down into a sear or trigger. THEN you would have a US sear or trigger.

[motorhead]

a romy h/g is not a p/g for 922r purposes. mods which change the function of the part are said to be acceptable. if you accept the refinished furniture logic, go to hf anf buy some letter stamps. stamp usa on any parts you choose. doesn't fly. nor do us parts require marking. if it were a 922 part, making a fsb/gb combo would probably qualify.(it aint)

[Builder]

Section [18 U.S.C. 922(r):
(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported
parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to
any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section
925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or
readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection
shall not apply to -
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or
distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or
any department or agency thereof or to any State or any
department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes
of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

Section [18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3):
(d) The Attorney General shall authorize a firearm or ammunition
to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession
thereof if the firearm or ammunition -
(1) is being imported or brought in for scientific or research
purposes, or is for use in connection with competition or
training pursuant to chapter 401 of title 10;
(2) is an unserviceable firearm, other than a machinegun as
defined in section 5845(b) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986
(not readily restorable to firing condition), imported or brought
in as a curio or museum piece;
(3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a
firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue
Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable
for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus
military firearms, except in any case where the Attorney General
has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to
this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame,
receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if
assembled;

If a rifle or shotgun is subject to 922(r), it needs to be in compliance with Title 27 Chapter 1 Section 178.39:
Correction: Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 478, section 478.39:
(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.

Paragraph (c) defines the following parts:
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings *
(2) Barrels *
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions) *
(5) Muzzle attachments *
(6) Bolts *
(7) Bolt carriers *
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons *
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers *
(12) Hammers *
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors *
(15) Buttstocks *
(16) Pistol grips *
(17) Forearms, handguards *
(18) Magazine bodies *
(19) Followers *
(20) Floorplates *

[jacques]

Do you have a link where to find that Builder?

[Builder]

Do you have a link where to find that Builder?

Grasshopper, you need to improve your google-fu.
Google "Section [18 U.S.C. 922" and 3rd is findlaw.com. But more specifically: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/caseco...ction_922.html
Then "Next" to section 925.
Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Chapter 1 Part 178, section 178.39 is now known as Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 478, section 478.39 which can be found here
Title 27 Chapter 1 Section 178.39 is now Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 478, section 478.39
I learn something new everyday....
Thanks,
Builder