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  • Nate74
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1104

    Rear take down pin & spring nightmare...

    I recently got a stripped lower back from being re-anodized. Before I sent it in, I had tapped the rear take down spring hole for a small 1/2" long, 4-40 Allen head set screw as I do on most of my lowers.

    Here's where the trouble started: I didn't run the tap back through the hole before trying to put the 4-40 screw back in and it got about 3/4 of the way in and got stuck. I either wasn't paying attention or fate simply wasn't with me because I got it in there far enough that I couldn't get it all the way in and couldn't back it out.

    More trouble ensued: I tried to get a tiny set of vice grips on the part sticking out and crushed the end of the set screw closed. I used a 1/16" bit to open the head up a bit and tried the smallest screw extractor I could find... which promptly snapped off.

    I tried drilling the center of the set screw out with a 1/16" bit with the idea of working my way out to a #43 bit (what you use with a 4-40 tap) but ended up with a broken drill bit in the hole. I worked the take down pin out and got the spring and tiny brass detent out the other end.

    The hole is now oversized on the rear of the receiver and still has part of the set screw and part of a drill bit stuck in it.

    I'm done with it since everything I try seems to make it worse, but can a REAL gunsmith do anything for me?

    Please avoid pointing out the obvious dumbass things I did to get here... my ego is quite fragile today.
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    Jason25
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Jan 2013
    • 999

    You got bit by the excited bug, and got a little ahead or yourself huh Ar15 barrels just had a comment about this yesterday in another post. I believe he is fairly close to your posted location. Give him a pm
    If you must tap, do it after anodizing!
    Last edited by Jason25; 08-04-2013, 1:38 PM.

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    • #3
      Nate74
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 1104

      The excited bug seconded by the dumb bug...

      Thanks.
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      • #4
        Jason25
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Jan 2013
        • 999

        Originally posted by Nate74
        The excited bug seconded by the dumb bug...

        Thanks.
        It happens to all of us man, its not that big of a deal it can be fixed. Even if your detent hole is a bit bigger ON THE ENDPLATE SIDE, your endplate will hold the spring just the same.

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        • #5
          VictorFranko
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2010
          • 13737

          Originally posted by Jason25
          If you must tap, do it after anodizing!
          Actually, it's tap first, anodize and then chase (run the tap through the hole again) the threads.

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          • #6
            L4D
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3053

            I actually left the set screw in one of my lowers AND then went to get it anodized...its stuck good and permanent it seems.

            I ended up buying one of these for this particular lower, lol.

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            • #7
              Nate74
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 1104

              Originally posted by L4D
              I actually left the set screw in one of my lowers AND then went to get it anodized...its stuck good and permanent it seems.

              I ended up buying one of these for this particular lower, lol.

              http://www.amazon.com/KNS-Push-Butto.../dp/B005NBUCHW
              WOW! Never knew something like this existed. thanks.
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              • #8
                Jason25
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Jan 2013
                • 999

                Originally posted by VictorFranko
                Actually, it's tap first, anodize and then chase (run the tap through the hole again) the threads.
                True... However, Ive watched a well known calgunner from San Berdoo do it many times on pre anodized 80s. never been a problem and omits oops!
                Last edited by Jason25; 08-04-2013, 2:07 PM.

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                • #9
                  Scuba951
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 1037

                  May I ask what the point of adding a set screw back there is?

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                  • #10
                    gesundheit
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 1147

                    Originally posted by Scuba951
                    May I ask what the point of adding a set screw back there is?
                    No need to worry about spring launching across the room when installing or taking off the end plate.

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                    • #11
                      GMG
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 7974

                      Originally posted by Scuba951
                      May I ask what the point of adding a set screw back there is?
                      If you remove the stock, you won't have a spring flying out of the hole.

                      beat me to it !
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                      • #12
                        GMG
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 7974

                        Originally posted by Scuba951
                        May I ask what the point of adding a set screw back there is?
                        If you remove the stock, you won't have a spring flying out of the hole.

                        ^^ beat me to it !
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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57170

                          Strip and re-anodize the lower.
                          The screw, the tap and the drill bit will all be gone after the etching that removes the old anodizing.
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                            Nate74
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1104

                            Originally posted by ar15barrels
                            Strip and re-anodize the lower.
                            The screw, the tap and the drill bit will all be gone after the etching that removes the old anodizing.
                            Ouch... Another $60 trip to Techplate. I may try to jig it up in the drill press and see if I can drill it out accurately that way.

                            If that doesn't work, the KNS pin will be what I resort to I guess.
                            Last edited by Nate74; 08-04-2013, 8:53 PM.
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                            • #15
                              bob_e95482
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 1202

                              The broken tooling is extremely hard. Trying to drill it out will only result in a bigger mess. I suggest a small carbide burr in a dremel to carefully grind out the broken parts, then go to an oversize set screw.

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