permanently attached to barrel?

[wyrm2021]

I got a barrel coming 14.375in and apparently I need to permanently attatch a muzzle flash/hider/fake suppresser to the end to bring it to 16". What is the exact definition for "permanent" in this regard? Pinned, Dimpled or Weld/Solder?

[AKSOG]

From the ATF manual

The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to
measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to
the furthermost end of the barrel
or permanently attached muzzle device.
Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod
into the barrel until the rod stops
against the bolt or breech-face.
The rod is then marked at the
furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attach
ed muzzle device, withdraw
n from the barrel, and
measured.

[wyrm2021]

Ok wow. Then what does full fusion mean? My usumption is that both (barrel and attatchment) be bonded at some point or all the way around the diameter of both.

[Hennessy]

Get it done by a gunsmith if you do not have experience welding. Randall from ar15barrels.com can do it for pretty cheap. he is in culver, or mail it in to him. I believe having that barrel without a pistol lower would be constructive possession unless pinned.

Good luck

[wyrm2021]

Get it done by a gunsmith if you do not have experience welding. Randall from ar15barrels.com can do it for pretty cheap. he is in culver, or mail it in to him. I believe having that barrel without a pistol lower would be constructive possession unless pinned.

Good luck

So your saying just having a bare barrel at that length is a violation? Am i reading you correctly/

[HappyCamper781]

If you have that barrel assembled to an upper receiver with handguards or rails, and a fully completed lower, and you're pulled over or otherwise searched and it's found, you're generally looking at a "constructive possession" type of charge being filed.

If you posses JUST the barrel and no other receiver parts, it's just a barrel.

[wyrm2021]

I dont even posses all the parts to complete the lower at this time. I will be getting the barrel soon so Ineed to find a comp. that is about 2.5" or more in length oa to make it the way I need it. Anyone got suggestions, its AKM 7.62. I want bird cage style unless theres something of Soviet design that is superior.

[AKSOG]

I dont even posses all the parts to complete the lower at this time. I will be getting the barrel soon so Ineed to find a comp. that is about 2.5" or more in length oa to make it the way I need it. Anyone got suggestions, its AKM 7.62. I want bird cage style unless theres something of Soviet design that is superior.

Even without the lower parts, having a non pistol lower receiver and a short barrel can get you in trouble. I would suggest having the barrel sent to a FFL that can do a blind pin on it or purchase from a distributor who will pin it before shipment to stay legal.

[ar15barrels]

So your saying just having a bare barrel at that length is a violation? Am i reading you correctly/

If you want to have the barrel shipped to me, I have a pistol lower so it's no problem for me to possess barrels shorter than 16".
Then, I can perm attach a muzzle device on it for you and you can pick it up or I can mail it back to you.

[buellster]

If it's an AK you need to have the barrel populated BEFORE the muzzle device is permanently attached

[zeke01]

Just stating the obvious but make sure you include your chosen barrel nut and gas block if you pin the muzzle device on an unmounted barrel.

[paratroop]

Just stating the obvious but make sure you include your chosen barrel nut and gas block if you pin the muzzle device on an unmounted barrel.

It is an AK.