AK pistol Question

[myfavoritecar]

I'm thinking on building a AK pistol and had a few questions.
1. Do I still need to put on the AK mag release cover (AK bullet Button)
2. Can you put a pistol grip on the front hand guard?
3. Do I have to register it?

I hear people get tired of them fast but i figured i should build it while i can and also just to have it. It seems like a fun project to go along with the Romanian and Egyptian kits too.
Thanks

[antix2]

Short answer:
1. Yes.
2. No.
3. No.

Check the CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart on why and how:

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/hgflowchart.pdf

It might also be wise to build (and document the build) as Single Shot exempt.
Use the search for SSE.

And yes, it's a 'range toy' but a damn fun one at that.

[TANK]

i agree fun as hell and the kids love to shoot it.

[Marcus von W.]

I'm looking at the "Handgun identification" flow chart here and the the code sections that follow, and am somewhat confused.

#15 on the flow chart asks "Does the firearm have a detachable magazine?"
Answering "No" due to the mag lock, do you then drop down to 16a. or 16b? From the appearance of the chart, it looks like if you answer "no" to #16, you go to #16b, which asks if the magazine holds more than 10 rounds.

If you go from #15 to #16a even if the answere to #15 is no, it would seem that a foreward vertical handgrip would be illegal on an AK pistol. However if you go from #15 to #16b, is seems that because of the mag lock #16a. is not a concern and the evil, hateful, puppy/child/sparkling pink unicorn/flying pony killing features that make even strong ugly men like Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer soil their skivvies in fear and hate are o.k.

Also, reading the code sections, 122276.1a defines an assault weapon as a pistol that has a detachable magazine AND (nor "OR") any 1 of the evil, hateful features that turns ordinary innocent firearms into homicidal mass murderers that sneak out on their own to run rampant through preschools and slaughter everyone they encounter.

So from my reading of the code - I do have a law degree, by the way - it seems that as long as the pistol has a mag lock and the locked mag only holds 10 rounds, the other features including a forward pistol grip would be fine.

Can anyone here clarify this to me? Am I missing something here?

I ask because I have one of the Polish made "Hellpup" AK pistols (not yet in my hot, sweaty, AK-loving hands), and a forward grip like the "dong" grip on my WASR would make this admittedly large and rather clumsy for a pistol "novelty" firearm a little easier and more comfortable to handle.

[jrock]

Used best with bungle style sling..push gun forward while taking up slack and its actualy quite accurate for close range stuff.

[ott1]

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

[ke6guj]

I'm looking at the "Handgun identification" flow chart here and the the code sections that follow, and am somewhat confused.

#15 on the flow chart asks "Does the firearm have a detachable magazine?"
Answering "No" due to the mag lock, do you then drop down to 16a. or 16b? From the appearance of the chart, it looks like if you answer "no" to #16, you go to #16b, which asks if the magazine holds more than 10 rounds.

I assume you meant #15 since there is no #16. If you answer NO to #15, you go to #16b.

If you go from #16 to #16a even if the answere to #16 is no, it would seem that a foreward vertical handgrip would be illegal on an AK pistol. However if you go from #16 to #16b, is seems that because of the mag lock #16a. is not a concern and the evil, hateful, puppy/child/sparkling pink unicorn/flying pony killing features that make even strong ugly men like Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer soil their skivvies in fear and hate are o.k.

again, assuming you meant #15. If you answer NO to #15, you go to #16b, not #16a. #16a does not apply to you if you have a fixed magazine.

I ask because I have one of the Polish made "Hellpup" AK pistols (not yet in my hot, sweaty, AK-loving hands), and a forward grip like the "dong" grip on my WASR would make this admittedly large and rather clumsy for a pistol "novelty" firearm a little easier and more comfortable to handle.

and even though #16a does not apply to you with a fixed-mag AK-pistol, you still have to deal with #8, so you would need to register it as an AOW before you put the VFG on.

[Marcus von W.]

Got it, thanks! Yeah, I meant #15. And I was so busy looking at that section that I missed #8. So it looks like no "d*ck" on the "dog".

[myfavoritecar]

Thanks for the info and the flow chart, that clears up a lot.
yes to mag lock no and to the forward grip

[kcstott]

I assume you meant #15 since there is no #16. If you answer NO to #15, you go to #16b.

again, assuming you meant #15. If you answer NO to #15, you go to #16b, not #16a. #16a does not apply to you if you have a fixed magazine.

and even though #16a does not apply to you with a fixed-mag AK-pistol, you still have to deal with #8, so you would need to register it as an AOW before you put the VFG on.

Only if the weapon is under (and I believe it's 26") over all length. If the weapon is 26" or longer, at that point it's not a handgun as defined as a weapon that can be concealed upon the person. So an AK pistol with a 15.5" barrel and maybe a sub welded to the rear trunnion to get proper overall length. would do it. Bullet button is mandatory though. Well at least I would not risk it even though the weapon is somewhere between a handgun and a rifle I'd still use a bullet button.

This is how a bunch of long barreled AR pistols were sold with a vertical fore grip

[myfavoritecar]

I bought a pistol kit with a 9" barrel from AK-Builders. so length shouldn't be an issue.

[TANK]

thats what they all say

I bought a pistol kit with a 9" barrel from AK-Builders. so length shouldn't be an issue.

[myfavoritecar]

LOL

[kcstott]

I bought a pistol kit with a 9" barrel from AK-Builders. so length shouldn't be an issue.

Till some guy shows your girlfriend a 12" barrel AMD and in a few day you come home and find your apartment empty.

Size always matters